[From Dag Forssell (2008.04.13 0800)]
(Gavin Ritz. 2008.04.1315.05NZT)
Gavin, I choose to spend my time on tasks promoting PCT other than discussing much on CSGnet. But a few quick comments may be in order.
You say at the end of your post that “I’m till battling with the three fundamental proofs that Rick sent me.” What is the implication of that?
You make up an argument by misquoting me. You write: “Management hasn’t lacked a theory of human behavior as related to organisation structure at all.”
What you are paraphrasing is: “… we have lacked a theory of human behavior that actually fits the way human beings work.”
So you take an isolated sentence out of context and distort it, then want to discuss the distorted version. That does not set the stage for any discussion with me. Have you read the entire book?
For just one theory of organizational behavior, I suggest that you have a look at Elliot Jaques’ Requisite Organization, human capability (as a perception) as applied to work has be thoroughly investigated and tested within many organisations world wide and within the US Military structure. (If I‘m to be correct Elliot Jaques even received the Joint Chief of staffs award from Colin Powell for Leadership Theory)
There is no shortage of literature people will suggest I have a look at. I just read five Customer Reviews of Elliott Jaques latest version of Requisite Organization at Amazon. That is enough for me.
Why not suggest I review another 57 books on management and 4711 on psychology so I will be conversant with all the stuff that reflects art and craft, but not science.
It has been shown that the psychological approach (the cause effect model) has been thoroughly disputed and dysfunctional and in fact just plain wrong.
So you agree with my statement after all.
A massive amount of work needs to be done with PCT if it is to effectively penetrate the management and leadership field.
I won’t argue with that. The question is who is to do it. If I put my efforts to productive use, a lot of people will be exposed to the Book of Readings this year and in coming years, catch on, read the entire body of work, and run all the tutorials and simulations. Some of those will be the ones. That is my idea anyway.
If PCT is going to make inroads we’ll have to measure all the higher perceptions as related to organizational structure. At this stage I haven’t the foggiest how to do that. I’m till battling with the three fundamental proofs that Rick sent me.
No, you seem trapped in the existing paradigm. What is needed is for people to begin to understand a new concept of how living things work. Then they will figure out all the rest from basic principles, just like Jim Soldani did.
This reply by me does not mean I will engage in debate on CSGnet or respond further. I will leave that for the most part to others. I am focused on my project of bringing PCT to the attention to a much wider public.
Best, Dag