[From Bruce Abbott (981005.1315 EST)]
Rick Marken (981005.1030) --
Bill Powers (981003.0648 MDT)
For Bruce Abbott: I believe this is what you're trying to say...
Since Bruce Abbott is likely to remember Bill Powers as agreeing
with his discussion of control system diagrams, I thought I would
reproduce the relevant portion of Bill's reply to Bruce's appeal
to Jove (always nice to see a fellow pagan), for the record:
What I am likely to remember is that Bill correctly restated what I was
trying to convey. He did agree that the diagrams can be drawn as shown and
that the different versions emphasize different aspects of the system, even
if he disagreed with my choice of the word "emphasize" to express the
differences in impact. Emphasizing one element necessarily deemphasizes
("conceals") another.
Regards,
Bruce
[From Bruce Abbott (981005.1700 EST)]
Rick Marken (981005.1340) --
Bruce Abbott (981005.1315 EST)
Emphasizing one element [of a control organization] necessarily
deemphasizes ("conceals") another.
Both of these terms ("deemphasize" and "conceal") describe purposeful
behavior. Do you believe that the element of the control diagram
that we call the _controlled variable_ has been purposefully
deemphasized or concealed by behavioral scientists who were trying
to present an S-R or cognitive view of behavior?
No.
Regards,
Bruce
[From Rick Marken (981005.1340)]
Bruce Abbott (981005.1315 EST)
Emphasizing one element [of a control organization] necessarily
deemphasizes ("conceals") another.
Both of these terms ("deemphasize" and "conceal") describe purposeful
behavior. Do you believe that the element of the control diagram
that we call the _controlled variable_ has been purposefully
deemphasized or concealed by behavioral scientists who were trying
to present an S-R or cognitive view of behavior?
Best
Rick
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[From Bruce Abbott (981005.1755 EST)]
Rick Marken (981005.0330) --
Do you have any thoughts about why the _controlled variable_ has
been deemphasized or concealed by behavioral scientists?
I don't believe that anyone has had the intention of "concealing" the
control of perception; rather, other aspects of the system's operation have
been emphasized. The reasons for this are probably as varied as the
individual scientists. (I'm talking about the small number who actually
understand control systems.)
Regards,
Bruce
[From Rick Marken (981005.0330)]
Me:
Do you believe that the element of the control diagram
that we call the _controlled variable_ has been purposefully
deemphasized or concealed by behavioral scientists who were trying
to present an S-R or cognitive view of behavior?
Bruce Abbott (981005.1700 EST) --
No.
Do you have any thoughts about why the _controlled variable_ has
been deemphasized or concealed by behavioral scientists?
Best
Rick
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[From Rick Marken (981005.1930)]
Bruce Abbott (981005.1755 EST)--
I don't believe that anyone has had the intention of "concealing"
[controlled variables]; rather, other aspects of the system's
operation have been emphasized. The reasons for this are probably
as varied as the individual scientists.
What are your reasons?
Best
Rick
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