Emotion

[From Bill Powers (2007.04.26.0804 MDT)]

Last weekend I attended a very successful miniconference on MOL at
David Goldstein's house in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. The other
participants were David London, Carter Cloyd, John White, and Gary
Padover who are psychotherapists connected with the juvenile center
where David G. is clinical director. Reports are that the newcomers
to MOL are enthusiastic about the results and committed to developing
skill with the method of levels in their practices.

During the conference the subject of emotions came up often, and I
was inspired to try to state the PCT theory of emotion in a compact
way, simply stating it without trying to justify it. Here is the
result, as a .doc attachment. I hope the yahoogroups recipients are
allowed to get it.

Best,

Bill P.

OnEmotions.doc (35.5 KB)

[From Dick Robertson,2007.04.26.0945CDT]

Very nice. Concise and comprehensive.

I would raise one question about "The person may
find the conflict so painful that the whole subject
is thrust aside." This is a departure from the
grounding in theory of the rest of the paper, and
could stand some expansion (for me, at least) in
terms of what kind of pain--I believe I have felt
it, as probably we all have, and it certainly is not
like the pain of a banged knee or sour stomach, etc.
Also the concept of thrusting the issue aside. I
take that as reducing error by a higher level
raising the RS for some withdrawal program.
Is that what you have in mind?

Best,

Dick R

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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Powers <powers_w@FRONTIER.NET>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:13 am
Subject: Emotion

[From Bill Powers (2007.04.26.0804 MDT)]

Last weekend I attended a very successful

miniconference on MOL at

David Goldstein's house in Cherry Hill, New

Jersey. The other

participants were David London, Carter Cloyd, John

White, and Gary

Padover who are psychotherapists connected with

the juvenile center

where David G. is clinical director. Reports are

that the newcomers

to MOL are enthusiastic about the results and

committed to

developing
skill with the method of levels in their practices.

During the conference the subject of emotions came

up often, and I

was inspired to try to state the PCT theory of

emotion in a compact

way, simply stating it without trying to justify

it. Here is the

result, as a .doc attachment. I hope the

yahoogroups recipients are

allowed to get it.

Best,

Bill P.

I would raise one question about
"The person may

find the conflict so painful that the whole subject

is thrust aside." This is a departure from the

grounding in theory of the rest of the paper, and

could stand some expansion (for me, at least) in

terms of what kind of pain–I believe I have felt

it, as probably we all have, and it certainly is not

like the pain of a banged knee or sour stomach, etc.

Also the concept of thrusting the issue aside. I

take that as reducing error by a higher level

raising the RS for some withdrawal program.

Is that what you have in mind?
[From Bill Powers (2007.04.26.1026 MDT)]
Dick Robertson,2007.04.26.0945CDT –
One solution to the conflict is to avoid doing things, going places,
trying things that involve either side of the conflict. If I just
stay in bed, I don’t have to experience the conflict between wanting to
dress nicely and not wanting to spend my money on new clothes. So maybe
this is just one way that reorganization can change higher-order systems
to remove some bad effects of a conflict. Unfortunately it does so by
limiting the possible range of action.

The “pain” is not literally signals from pain receptors; it’s
simply large error signals, including the errors that result from the
fact that two control systems have stopped being usable by higher-level
systems. Remember that we’re now including hierarchical error signals as
members in the set of all intrinsic error signals. Their meaning is not
sensed; just the existence of any error signal that is large enough for
long enough is enough to start reorganization (where awareness is
focused). Since all control systems have comparators and error signals,
this doesn’t require the reorganizing system to know what perception is
being controlled; it will work for any system in the hierarchy and can
work from the beginning of life.

Does that come any closer to making sense?

Best,

Bill P.

[Jim Dundon (04.24.07.1328 EDT)]

To all,

Is a peacefull feeling emotion?

Best

Jim D

[From Rick Marken (2007.04.26.1130)]

Jim Dundon (04.24.07.1328 EDT)--

Is a peacefull feeling emotion?

Of course not. It's a song by the Eagles!

Oh, that's Peaceful Easy Feelin'.

Never mind;-)

Best

Rick

···

--
Richard S. Marken
rsmarken@gmail.com
marken@mindreadings.com

[From Dick Robertson,2007.04.26.1512CDT]

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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Powers <powers_w@FRONTIER.NET>
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:46 am
Subject: Re: Emotion

[From Bill Powers (2007.04.26.1026 MDT)]

Dick Robertson,2007.04.26.0945CDT --

One solution to the conflict is to avoid doing

things, going

places,
trying things that involve either side of the

conflict. If I just

stay in bed, I don't have to experience the

conflict between

wanting
to dress nicely and not wanting to spend my money

on new clothes.

So
maybe this is just one way that reorganization can

change

higher-order systems to remove some bad effects of

a conflict.

Unfortunately it does so by limiting the possible

range of action.

OK, point taken.

The "pain" is not literally signals from pain

receptors; it's

simply
large error signals, including the errors that

result from the fact

that two control systems have stopped being usable

by higher-level

systems. Remember that we're now including

hierarchical error

signals
as members in the set of all intrinsic error

signals. Their meaning

is not sensed; just the existence of any error

signal that is large

enough for long enough is enough to start

reorganization (where

awareness is focused). Since all control systems

have comparators

and
error signals, this doesn't require the

reorganizing system to know

what perception is being controlled; it will work

for any system in

the hierarchy and can work from the beginning of life.

Does that come any closer to making sense?

It helps, but I'm not totally satisfied. I can take
"the pain of conflict" in a metaphorical sense, and
that is OK, but there is real pain of a sort that
doesn't seem to me to come from pain receptors. That
is the heart-aching, chest crushing pain (definitely
pain!) accompanying experiences like rejection by a
lover, etc.
What is the sensory receptor for that? I had to deal
with reports about that a lot in my clinical career
(and knew what they were talking about), so have
always wondered whether we have at least a theory
about what we are actually aware of there.

Best,

Dick R

Best,

Bill P.

To all,

Is a peacefull feeling emotion?
[From Bill Powers (2007.04.26.1429 MDT)]

Jim Dundon (04.24.07.1328 EDT) –

To answer this we need a consensual definition of emotion. Does one
exist?

Best,

Bill P.

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.0401.0702)]

Bill Powers (2003.03.31.2034 MST)

Psychotherapists have found empirically that the key to resolving
problems is to bring them into awareness with full affect. That is not a
prediction of PCT; it's the other way around. Knowing this about
psychotherapy is one of the things that led me to guess that reorganization
follows awareness.

I suspect that the major reorganization that occurs in psychotherapy is
the reorganization of the story we tell about ourselves.

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--
Bruce Gregory lives with the poet and painter Gray Jacobik in the future
Canadian Province of New England.

www.joincanadanow.org

While working...on the brain....and listening to the news...an incredible
piece of storytelling (please I do not try to hurt anybody's
feelings....nobody knows my views....I am very much for civil rights and
active in the community also very spiritual)..I am impressed by the ideas
here.
I do not feel it is appripriate to always quote my mental productions...but
I am there listening taking it in...and introjectign when approprioate in my
eyes...
UI believe that your group has a role in real-time as events unravel...
have a good day
paule
Paule A. Steichen. Asch, Ph.D.
IBIS Int'l
Individual Building of Integrated Success
2101 Grandin Road
Cincinnati OH 45208
voicemail: (513) 289-5998
fax: (513) 871-soul/7685
pasteichenasch@fuse.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Gregory" <bruce@JOINCANADANOW.ORG>
To: <CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Emotion

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.0401.0702)]

Bill Powers (2003.03.31.2034 MST)
>

> Psychotherapists have found empirically that the key to resolving
> problems is to bring them into awareness with full affect. That is not a
> prediction of PCT; it's the other way around. Knowing this about
> psychotherapy is one of the things that led me to guess that

reorganization

> follows awareness.

I suspect that the major reorganization that occurs in psychotherapy is
the reorganization of the story we tell about ourselves.

--
Bruce Gregory lives with the poet and painter Gray Jacobik in the future
Canadian Province of New England.

www.joincanadanow.org

so true…my wpecialy now is learning disability and I have said that about intelligence vs belief about intelligence…mental blocks

Paule A. Steichen. Asch, Ph.D.
IBIS Int’l
Individual Building of Integrated Success
2101 Grandin Road
Cincinnati OH 45208
voicemail: (513) 289-5998
fax: (513) 871-soul/7685
pasteichenasch@fuse.net

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Bill Powers

To: CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu

Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: Emotion

I suspect that the major reorganization that occurs in psychotherapy is
the reorganization of the story we tell about ourselves.

[From Bill Powers (2003.04.01.1022 MST)]

Bruce Gregory (2003.0401.0702)–

That might very well be, but the story we tell about ourselves may have a large impact on whether we live a good life or a horrible one. What we accept as true about ourselves becomes the reference condition, whether it’s the best one possible or not. “Oh, I’ve never been good at math,” a person says, and therefore doesn’t try to learn it, and therefore maintains the condition of not being good at math, just like any controlled variable. The story we tell about ourselves becomes a description of how we are, if we tell it long enough to accept it as true. Up to a point.

Best,

Bill P.

[From Fred Nickols (2003.04.01.1550 ET)] --

Bill Powers (2003.04.01.1022 MST)]

Bruce Gregory (2003.0401.0702)--

I suspect that the major reorganization that occurs in psychotherapy is
the reorganization of the story we tell about ourselves.

That might very well be, but the story we tell about ourselves may have a
large impact on whether we live a good life or a horrible one. What we
accept as true about ourselves becomes the reference condition, whether
it's the best one possible or not. "Oh, I've never been good at math," a
person says, and therefore doesn't try to learn it, and therefore
maintains the condition of not being good at math, just like any
controlled variable. The story we tell about ourselves becomes a
description of how we are, if we tell it long enough to accept it as true.
Up to a point.

Best,

Bill P.

This has probably occurred to lots of others on this list before now
(although I don't recall seeing anything about it) but, what Bill is saying
above suggests to me that PCT provides a wonderfully rich explanation of
self-fulfilling prophecies. Boy, would I like to stick a crowbar in that
one, pry it open and see what comes out.

Fred Nickols
nickols@safe-t.net
www.nickols.us

I like some heavy duty brain research which shows circuitry where time is in
some way reversed: We stick a-posteriori cause to our actions.
I believe that people with learnind and other disabiities do not have their
cicruitry well oiled so to speak.
Paule A. Steichen. Asch, Ph.D.
IBIS Int'l
Individual Building of Integrated Success
2101 Grandin Road
Cincinnati OH 45208
voicemail: (513) 289-5998
fax: (513) 871-soul/7685
pasteichenasch@fuse.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Nickols" <nickols@SAFE-T.NET>
To: <CSGNET@listserv.uiuc.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Emotion

[From Fred Nickols (2003.04.01.1550 ET)] --

>Bill Powers (2003.04.01.1022 MST)]
>
>Bruce Gregory (2003.0401.0702)--
>
>>I suspect that the major reorganization that occurs in psychotherapy is
>>the reorganization of the story we tell about ourselves.
>
>That might very well be, but the story we tell about ourselves may have a
>large impact on whether we live a good life or a horrible one. What we
>accept as true about ourselves becomes the reference condition, whether
>it's the best one possible or not. "Oh, I've never been good at math," a
>person says, and therefore doesn't try to learn it, and therefore
>maintains the condition of not being good at math, just like any
>controlled variable. The story we tell about ourselves becomes a
>description of how we are, if we tell it long enough to accept it as

true.

>Up to a point.
>
>Best,
>
>Bill P.

This has probably occurred to lots of others on this list before now
(although I don't recall seeing anything about it) but, what Bill is

saying

above suggests to me that PCT provides a wonderfully rich explanation of
self-fulfilling prophecies. Boy, would I like to stick a crowbar in that
one, pry it open and see what comes out.

Fred Nickols
nickols@safe-t.net
www.nickols.us

[From Bjorn Simonsen (2003.04.02.08:25)]

from Bill Powers (2003.03.30.1041 MST)

I think it would be helpful if everyone here would pause and try to say
just what they are talking about when they use the word "emotion."

First.
Once am tourist from USA visited Bergen (a town on the western part of
Norway).
After some rainy weeks he asked a little boy:" Doesn't the rainy season stop
here in Bergen?". The boy answered: " You must not ask me. I am only seven
years old".

I guess there is an "emotion" or feeling in our system when we laugh, smile
or say
"aouuu" (I have heard it before). So, what happened with you?
1. I guess you had an emotional experience (I don't know how, but I guess it
was
different form feeling an aggression)
2. Maybe you smiled, moved some muscles This is the motor part adjusted to
the
emotion you experienced.
(3. Maybe you tried to describe your emotion. Rick tried to describe his
emotions/feelings looking at a special scene from "Gigi". He described well
how he moved his muscles but he had a problem when he should describe his
emotion.

....Indeed, one aspect of what I feel when I watch the scene is "choking

up",

which is a kind of a shortness of breath. I also start getting all teary

and

feel all mushy inside (it's funny, when I start trying to describe it I

lose it,

and I obviously lose any ability to describe the experience articulately).

I have often heard people say: "It was a wonderful feeling, but I can't put
words on it". Maybe there are something David Goldstein didn't tell us when
he wrote:
..."Emotion can exist at different perceptual levels."
He didn't mention the Program level which also deals with symbols. I don't
think
we control feelings at the Program level and the higher levels. ... What do
you
say about that?

When we talk about "emotion" and feelings I think there is a Physical part
and an
emotional part. The Physical part is easy to understand. The Physical part
is a
perception where the feedback is initiated of a not decreasing error.
The emotional part I think is initiated from memory.

The negative emotions Anxiety/Depression are caused by:
1. We don't get what we want. ... The error exists.
2. We get something we don't want. ... The error exists.
3. We don't know what we want. ..... The reference is zero and the error
exists. Reorganization.
(I think I have read Tom Borboun writing this)

I myself think of "emotions" as perceptions like all other perceptions. The
Output is both located to muscles and to glands. And the feedbacks from the
glands result in perceptions.
This is the emotional part of our control.
We have our different references and some of us prefer to be in one certain
mood and other
in an other mood. Our References are different.

When there is error in the system, signals are sent down the hierarchy until
eventually they are transformed into activity in the muscles and glands.

This also happens with what we call emotion. I think we sense
certain physiological experiences and interpret them in terms of our current
context. When I met my wife first time I felt something I called "I'm in
love"
and I made a story about it. But the story consisted in "going around doing
nothing" and how difficult it was to phone her first time etc.
I am writing this to indicate that an "emotion" is just a part of the way
emotions fit into a bigger picture. And I understand this is just what
happens
with people having Anxiety.

Some times it is nice to feel emotions. Having Anxiety is not. David
Goldstein and
Bill should tell us how they explain the therapeutic method of MOL can help
us out
of the power of emotions.

MOL an have a nice day.

bjorn

[From Bill Powerrs (2003.04.02.1311 MST)]

Bjorn Simonsen (2003.04.02.08:25)--

Thanks for the comments about emotion.

My recipe for handling emotion problems is first to discover and be aware
of the underlying control processes that are not working right (including
conflict problems), and then to explore with the Method of Levels to see if
there are higher-level reasons for the malfunction.

Best,

Bill P.

I may be out of touch for a few days -- going to see children in the
Boulder, CO area.

[From Bill Powers (2003.05.21.1418 MDT)]

Reading Damasio's "Looking for Spinoza" (about feeling and emotion), I had
a thought, inspired by I know not what. There are three situations in which
large errors can occur:

1. A large disturbance in the environment can overwhelm control, or
threaten to do so. Large errors are experienced (though not, I currently
think, directly).

2. A conflict can prevent effective action, and lead to escalating internal
efforts that nullify each other and accomplish nothing to correct errors.

3. A reference signal can be set to a value much different from its current
setting.

The first two are likely to be associated with negative emotions. The first
would lead to perceiving the external event as the cause of the emotion.
The second would probably result in attributing the emotion to one's own
inability to act.

The third one is the new one to me. If one suddenly sets a high reference
signal for something, I would take that to mean that something is being
actively sought, some experience one wants more of. This creates a sudden
error signal not because something has disturbed a perception but because
the reference signal has suddenly changed. The error signal is
self-generated. The positive direction of change implies that the emotion
would be felt not only as self-generated, but as joyful or at least
positive. So here is a plausible way of fitting at least some positive
emotions into this picture.

But there is also the emotion that results from setting a reference signal
to lower the amount of an experience, to move the experience toward the
zero or negative end of the scale. This, too, would feel self-generated
since the error that immediately results is caused by the change of
reference signal, not by a disturbance of a perception. Hating someone
probably feels like this. While the direction of intended effect is
different, it still has something in common with positive emotions, since
it is self-generated. To make the error signal go away, all one has to do
is set the reference signal back where it was.

Does this fit with anyone else's experiences?

Best,

Bill P.

[From Bruce Nevin (2003.05.21 23:24 EDT)]

Bill Powers (2003.05.21.1418 MDT)–

Reading Damasio’s “Looking for
Spinoza” (about feeling and emotion),

I saw Emily Eakin’s review in NYT for Saturday, April 19 (p. A15) and was
much taken with the contrast of Spinoza’s “I feel, therefore I
am” (not exactly in those words, maybe, but in his Ethics)
with Decarte’s mind/body error and the terrible consequences that have
followed from it.

  1. A reference signal can be set to a value
    much different from its current

setting.

Th[is] one is the new one to me. If one suddenly sets a high
reference

signal for something, I would take that to mean that something is
being

actively sought, some experience one wants more of. This creates a
sudden

error signal not because something has disturbed a perception but
because

the reference signal has suddenly changed. The error signal is

self-generated. The positive direction of change implies that the
emotion

would be felt not only as self-generated, but as joyful or at least

positive. So here is a plausible way of fitting at least some
positive

emotions into this picture.

Can also be ‘butterflies’, nervousness, alarm at perceived risk, or the
like. Example: Changing the reference for speaking before a crowd results
in error of this sort. (A lot of people can identify this in their
experience.) Note that the associated emotion could be attributed to the
crowd, so the fact that the error is self-generated does not necessarily
result in the emotion feeling self-generated.

But these feelings could be due to internal conflict. A system that sets
the reference for making a speech. The person controls making the speech
in imagination. Some of the perceptions that are controlled in
imagination as part of “making a speech” are also controlled by
other systems. For example, to make a speech you must be visible and
audible. Other systems might control to avoid having lots of people
looking at you and listening to you at once.

But there is also the emotion that results
from setting a reference signal

to lower the amount of an experience, to move the experience toward
the

zero or negative end of the scale. This, too, would feel
self-generated

since the error that immediately results is caused by the change of

reference signal, not by a disturbance of a perception.

Setting the reference for making a speech from high preference to
avoidance could result in a feeling of relief.
Controlling a perception often has ramifying consequences for the control
of other perceptions. Changing one reference results in changes in
control actions (including of course the direction of attention) which
can create disturbances to control of other perceptions. These unintended
side effects can result in internal conflict between these systems. If I
am correct in my guess that this occurs almost all cases of sudden change
of reference, then these conflicts are another basis for feelings to come
to awareness.
What I think is happening when a feeling comes to awareness goes more or
less along these lines:
a. Sensations in the body address memories of situations in which those
sensations were felt in the past.
b. These body sensations plus other signals thus evoked out of
associative memory enter input functions of many control systems.
c. At some threshold of input, perhaps some systems with complex input
functions that are controlling these signals also begin controlling the
‘missing’ signals in imagination. This speculation (which subjectively
feels right to me) might require some elaboration of mechanisms for
imagination, I don’t know.
d. Or there might be particular sensitivity to those inputs that are
missing, or an active seeking them out.
e. Eventually, some control systems receive sufficient input to
‘recognize’ some perception that might be verbalized as a generalization
about experience: such and such is happening again. The evocation of this
generalization from memory by associative addressing is one form of what
we colloquially mean by ‘imagination’.
For example – and although I hesitate to bring in the much belabored and
easily abused term ‘story’ – there does seem often to be one or more
processes controlling for something like a coherent story in one’s
experiences: a context maintained through time whether or not all of it
is perceptible at all times in the interval that it spans, sequences that
‘make sense’ in that context, a consistent role for oneself and others
befitting self image and opinion of those others, and so on. Some of the
records of quick rationalization why one did thus and so, when in
fact it was a posthypnotic suggestion, are instructive here: filling in
the missing pieces of a complex perception with memory and
imagination.

f. Among the systems controlling the perceptions {a-c, e} are those which
affect body states in various ways - endocrine secretions, muscle
tensions, activity of the digestive system, or ceasing thereof, etc.
These in turn are perceptible as body sensations like those of (a),
closing a loop of sorts that is capable of runaway feedback until these
sensations are strong enough that one becomes aware of them. For example,
the seeking of missing input signals postulated in (d) might come to
awareness as an alertness, seeking additional perceptual input; the
connection with adrenalin, etc. is obvious but not in the control
diagram.

g. As the sensations in the body come to awareness, aggregates of them
are perceived as identifiable emotions and feelings.

Hating someone

probably feels like this. While the direction of intended effect is

different, it still has something in common with positive emotions,
since

it is self-generated.

The error perhaps is self-generated or not, but feelings are always
self-generated.

    /Bruce

Nevin

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At 04:39 PM 5/21/2003, Bill Powers wrote:

From [ Marc Abrams (2003.05.21.0155) ]

[From Bill Powers (2003.05.21.1418 MDT)]

Reading Damasio’s “Looking for Spinoza” (about feeling and emotion), I had
a thought, inspired by I know not what. There are three situations in which
large errors can occur:

  1. A large disturbance in the environment can overwhelm control, or
    threaten to do so. Large errors are experienced (though not, I currently
    think, directly).

  2. A conflict can prevent effective action, and lead to escalating internal
    efforts that nullify each other and accomplish nothing to correct errors.

  3. A reference signal can be set to a value much different from its current
    setting

···

[From Bruce Nevin (2003.05.21 23:24 EDT)]

The error perhaps is self-generated or not, but feelings are always self-generated.

Me:

  • Perhaps we are looking at an imagination phenomena. With imagination being part of a memory output function, or a memory function tied to error.*

Marc

[From Bruce Gregory (2003.0522.0632)]

Bruce Nevin (2003.05.21 23:24 EDT)

But these feelings could be due to internal conflict.

I agree. It seems unlikely to me that a good control system suddenly
alters reference levels in a way that generates large errors.

···

--
Bruce Gregory lives with the poet and painter Gray Jacobik in the future
Canadian Province of New England.

www.joincanadanow.org

[From Fred Nickols (2003.05.22.0830)] --

Bill Powers (2003.05.21.1418 MDT)]

<snip>

But there is also the emotion that results from setting a reference signal
to lower the amount of an experience, to move the experience toward the
zero or negative end of the scale. This, too, would feel self-generated
since the error that immediately results is caused by the change of
reference signal, not by a disturbance of a perception. Hating someone
probably feels like this. While the direction of intended effect is
different, it still has something in common with positive emotions, since
it is self-generated. To make the error signal go away, all one has to do
is set the reference signal back where it was.

Does this fit with anyone else's experiences?

Isn't that the fox and the grapes, succinctly captured in the phrase "sour
grapes"? I've also heard the term "de-cathexis" (or something like it)
used to refer to the diminishment of goals previously held important as a
means of coping with the inability to achieve them. Perhaps one of the
more educated person on the list canprovide the proper term.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
nickols@safe-t.net

[From Bill Powers (2003.05.22.1107 MDT)]

Bruce Nevin (2003.05.21 23:24 EDT)--

I'm with you pretty much straight down the line of your post, include the
uncertainties. One thing I can add. The self-generated error (the change of
state resulting from such an error) only feels good if there is nothing
that prevents trying to carry it out. If there is conflict, we're back to
negative intepretations of feelings. And this makes me realize that even
changes of reference signals in the negative direction, in the absence of
conflict or other difficulties, feel good. Look how wonderful people have
been feeling lately having Saddam or the Old Europeans to hate. Or, of
course, Bush, from the other side. A good angry rant can feel great.

Best,

Bill P.

···

Bill Powers (2003.05.21.1418 MDT)--
At 04:39 PM 5/21/2003, Bill Powers wrote:

Reading Damasio's "Looking for Spinoza" (about feeling and emotion),

I saw Emily Eakin's review in NYT for Saturday, April 19 (p. A15) and was
much taken with the contrast of Spinoza's "I feel, therefore I am" (not
exactly in those words, maybe, but in his Ethics) with Decarte's mind/body
error and the terrible consequences that have followed from it.

3. A reference signal can be set to a value much different from its current
setting.

Th[is] one is the new one to me. If one suddenly sets a high reference
signal for something, I would take that to mean that something is being
actively sought, some experience one wants more of. This creates a sudden
error signal not because something has disturbed a perception but because
the reference signal has suddenly changed. The error signal is
self-generated. The positive direction of change implies that the emotion
would be felt not only as self-generated, but as joyful or at least
positive. So here is a plausible way of fitting at least some positive
emotions into this picture.

Can also be 'butterflies', nervousness, alarm at perceived risk, or the
like. Example: Changing the reference for speaking before a crowd results
in error of this sort. (A lot of people can identify this in their
experience.) Note that the associated emotion could be attributed to the
crowd, so the fact that the error is self-generated does not necessarily
result in the emotion feeling self-generated.

But these feelings could be due to internal conflict. A system that sets
the reference for making a speech. The person controls making the speech
in imagination. Some of the perceptions that are controlled in imagination
as part of "making a speech" are also controlled by other systems. For
example, to make a speech you must be visible and audible. Other systems
might control to avoid having lots of people looking at you and listening
to you at once.

But there is also the emotion that results from setting a reference signal
to lower the amount of an experience, to move the experience toward the
zero or negative end of the scale. This, too, would feel self-generated
since the error that immediately results is caused by the change of
reference signal, not by a disturbance of a perception.

Setting the reference for making a speech from high preference to
avoidance could result in a feeling of relief.

Controlling a perception often has ramifying consequences for the control
of other perceptions. Changing one reference results in changes in control
actions (including of course the direction of attention) which can create
disturbances to control of other perceptions. These unintended side
effects can result in internal conflict between these systems. If I am
correct in my guess that this occurs almost all cases of sudden change of
reference, then these conflicts are another basis for feelings to come to
awareness.

What I think is happening when a feeling comes to awareness goes more or
less along these lines:

a. Sensations in the body address memories of situations in which those
sensations were felt in the past.

b. These body sensations plus other signals thus evoked out of associative
memory enter input functions of many control systems.

c. At some threshold of input, perhaps some systems with complex input
functions that are controlling these signals also begin controlling the
'missing' signals in imagination. This speculation (which subjectively
feels right to me) might require some elaboration of mechanisms for
imagination, I don't know.

d. Or there might be particular sensitivity to those inputs that are
missing, or an active seeking them out.

e. Eventually, some control systems receive sufficient input to
'recognize' some perception that might be verbalized as a generalization
about experience: such and such is happening again. The evocation of this
generalization from memory by associative addressing is one form of what
we colloquially mean by 'imagination'.

For example -- and although I hesitate to bring in the much belabored and
easily abused term 'story' -- there does seem often to be one or more
processes controlling for something like a coherent story in one's
experiences: a context maintained through time whether or not all of it is
perceptible at all times in the interval that it spans, sequences that
'make sense' in that context, a consistent role for oneself and others
befitting self image and opinion of those others, and so on. Some of the
records of quick rationalization why one did thus and so, when in fact it
was a posthypnotic suggestion, are instructive here: filling in the
missing pieces of a complex perception with memory and imagination.

f. Among the systems controlling the perceptions {a-c, e} are those which
affect body states in various ways - endocrine secretions, muscle
tensions, activity of the digestive system, or ceasing thereof, etc. These
in turn are perceptible as body sensations like those of (a), closing a
loop of sorts that is capable of runaway feedback until these sensations
are strong enough that one becomes aware of them. For example, the seeking
of missing input signals postulated in (d) might come to awareness as an
alertness, seeking additional perceptual input; the connection with
adrenalin, etc. is obvious but not in the control diagram.

g. As the sensations in the body come to awareness, aggregates of them are
perceived as identifiable emotions and feelings.

Hating someone
probably feels like this. While the direction of intended effect is
different, it still has something in common with positive emotions, since
it is self-generated.

The error perhaps is self-generated or not, but feelings are always
self-generated.

        /Bruce Nevin