FW: Autonomous vehicles

[From Bruce Abbott (2018.06.18.2200 EDT)]

[From Rupert Young (2018.06.19 00.10)]

I’ve been preparing a proof of concept in the domain of AVs, here’s a preview, https://youtu.be/4rwzPtc1eyw

Comments welcome before I put it live.

Impressive demo, Rupert!

I wonder whether you can do something to improve the readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop, I can’t read any of the labels, and therefore can only guess at what each of the graphs is trying to convey.

It might be nice to add a “dashboard” to the portion showing the track (perhaps at the center of the circle). The dashboard might display (in relatively large font) The blue vehicle’s sensor readings: current speed and acceleration, distance to other vehicles immediately ahead and behind in the current and adjacent lane. I know these things are shown in the graphs but it would be easier to see what is happening dynamically by reading the dashboard rather than trying to locate and interpret the appropriate graph traces.

Bruce

Rupert, I second Bruce’s an impressive demo!

  I also agree with Bruce's comments on something like the

dashboard. The first few examples made no sense to me at all. I
have no clue what I was observing. Most of the multiple vehicle
advanced lane control examples were pretty good I think. Your
texts that popped up were quite useful.

  It might also be worth mentioning that the other color vehicles

were running a fixed program and were not under a control scheme
of any kind and were only positioned to provide the interference
needed to demonstrate the control action being shown.

  Also, I don't know what program you created this with so these

suggestions may be of no use whatsoever…

  •     For the slide at the beginning providing 'next' and 'previous'
    
    buttons would be better than just using time
  •     A 'pause' toggle for the motion related demos would be
    
    beneficial also I believe
  •     I am running a laptop that almost qualifies as a gaming
    
    machine but had some data rate problems (I did not try to
    monitor the network traffic) but it seems that it must have been
    quite high.
···

On 06/18/2018 08:11 PM, “Bruce Abbott”
( via csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

bbabbott@frontier.com

        [From Bruce

Abbott (2018.06.18.2200 EDT)]

      [From Rupert Young (2018.06.19

00.10)]

      I've been preparing a proof of

concept in the domain of AVs, here’s a preview, https://youtu.be/4rwzPtc1eyw

      Comments welcome before I put it

live.

Impressive demo, Rupert!

        I wonder whether you can do something to improve the

readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop, I
can’t read any of the labels, and therefore can only guess
at what each of the graphs is trying to convey.

        It might be nice to add a “dashboard” to the portion

showing the track (perhaps at the center of the circle).
The dashboard might display (in relatively large font) The
blue vehicle’s sensor readings: current speed and
acceleration, distance to other vehicles immediately ahead
and behind in the current and adjacent lane. I know these
things are shown in the graphs but it would be easier to see
what is happening dynamically by reading the dashboard
rather than trying to locate and interpret the appropriate
graph traces.

Bruce

[From Rupert Young (2018.06.19 16.20)]

  Thanks. And thanks for the suggestions (Bruce, Bill, Warren). All

good points though some would take months to sort out. I have very
limited resources, funds and time, so some will have to wait for
future developments if they happen, and I really need to get this
finalised this week. Also the simulation software I used was on an
evaluation license, which has now run out, so I am not able to
replay any of the demos.

  I have since come across this open-source simulator for

autonomous driving research, , which looks
really cool, and would like to try that in future.

  However, some points I am able to address reasonably easily, to

which I respond here.

  BA: I wonder whether you can do something to improve the

readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop, I can’t
read any of the labels, and therefore can only guess at what each
of the graphs is trying to convey.

  I have added overlay labels to the graphs to hopefully make them

more understandable.

WM: - the demos for each activity seem to take too long - any chance

of showing them each within 30 seconds?

I will be doing a short version of the demo.

WM: - I am wondering whether going round in a circle is limiting? Is

it too early to navigate streets, or again just pre-empt this
criticism when you explain why the track is circular?

I have added some explanation to the accompanying description

().

···

http://carla.org/
http://www.perceptualrobots.com/2018/06/19/autonomous-vehicles/
BL: It might also be worth mentioning that the other color
vehicles were running a fixed program and were not under a control
scheme of any kind and were only positioned to provide the
interference needed to demonstrate the control action being shown.

I have added this point to the description.

  BL: Also, I don't know what program you created this with so

these suggestions may be of no use whatsoever…

  I'm afraid I didn't really understand the points you made here,

could you expand?

And most importantly!

WM: - get rid of the music!

  What!? The video is pretty mind-numbing as it is. Without the

music I fear for the mental health of anyone watching it! However,
if others have strong views about it let me know. Here are
versions with and without.

Regards,
Rupert

  On 19/06/2018 07:21, Bill Leach ( via

csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

Rupert, I second Bruce’s an impressive demo!

    I also agree with Bruce's comments on something like the

dashboard. The first few examples made no sense to me at all.
I have no clue what I was observing. Most of the multiple
vehicle advanced lane control examples were pretty good I
think. Your texts that popped up were quite useful.

    It might also be worth mentioning that the other color vehicles

were running a fixed program and were not under a control scheme
of any kind and were only positioned to provide the interference
needed to demonstrate the control action being shown.

    Also, I don't know what program you created this with so these

suggestions may be of no use whatsoever…

  •       For the slide at the beginning providing 'next' and
    
    ‘previous’ buttons would be better than just using time
  •       A 'pause' toggle for the motion related demos would be
    
    beneficial also I believe
  •       I am running a laptop that almost qualifies as a gaming
    
    machine but had some data rate problems (I did not try to
    monitor the network traffic) but it seems that it must have
    been quite high.

https://youtu.be/NlA31cZq4JEhttps://youtu.be/5jIAsCrUIkE
wrleach@cableone.net
On 06/18/2018 08:11 PM, “Bruce
Abbott” (
via csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

bbabbott@frontier.com

          [From

Bruce Abbott (2018.06.18.2200 EDT)]

        [From Rupert Young (2018.06.19

00.10)]

        I've been preparing a proof of

concept in the domain of AVs, here’s a preview, https://youtu.be/4rwzPtc1eyw

        Comments welcome before I put it

live.

Impressive demo, Rupert!

          I wonder whether you can do something to improve the

readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop, I
can’t read any of the labels, and therefore can only guess
at what each of the graphs is trying to convey.

          It might be nice to add a “dashboard” to the portion

showing the track (perhaps at the center of the circle).
The dashboard might display (in relatively large font)
The blue vehicle’s sensor readings: current speed and
acceleration, distance to other vehicles immediately ahead
and behind in the current and adjacent lane. I know these
things are shown in the graphs but it would be easier to
see what is happening dynamically by reading the dashboard
rather than trying to locate and interpret the appropriate
graph traces.

Bruce

[From Bruce Abbott (2018.06.18.2200 EDT)]

[From Rupert Young (2018.06.19 00.10)]

I’ve been preparing a proof of concept in the domain of AVs, here’s a preview, https://youtu.be/4rwzPtc1eyw

Comments welcome before I put it live.

Impressive demo, Rupert!

I wonder whether you can do something to improve the readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop, I can’t read any of the labels, and therefore can only guess at what each of the graphs is trying to convey.

It might be nice to add a “dashboard” to the portion showing the track (perhaps at the center of the circle). The dashboard might display (in relatively large font) The blue vehicle’s sensor readings: current speed and acceleration, distance to other vehicles immediately ahead and behind in the current and adjacent lane. I know these things are shown in the graphs but it would be easier to see what is happening dynamically by reading the dashboard rather than trying to locate and interpret the appropriate graph traces.

Bruce

Rupert,

  The comment before the bulleted suggestions was made because it

quite possible that the software used is not capable of
implementing them.

  1st bullet:  You used quite a long time delay between the first

few slides. I am suggesting that, if the program supports it, to
add ‘next’ and ‘previous’ buttons to each of those slides to
permit the viewer to either step through them as quickly as they
are able to read the slides as well as go back to a previous one.

  2nd bullet:  The 'toggle' button suggestion is to allow the

viewer to temporarily stop the demo so that, for example, they
could examine the graphs and ponder them before continuing with
the demo.

  3rd bullet:  Was just an observation.  I would need to do a bit

research myself before I could suggest anything. I only mentioned
it so that if others noticed some ‘jerkiness’ or short freezes in
the demos that they might mention it. Such behavior can be caused
by so many things but would include high computational requirement
for the displaying machine, data rates very high for the available
bandwidth, delays in communications between the server and the
display, etc.

Bill

···

On 06/19/2018 09:21 AM, Rupert Young
( via csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

rupert@perceptualrobots.com

[From Rupert Young (2018.06.19 16.20)]

    Thanks. And thanks for the suggestions (Bruce, Bill, Warren).

All good points though some would take months to sort out. I
have very limited resources, funds and time, so some will have
to wait for future developments if they happen, and I really
need to get this finalised this week. Also the simulation
software I used was on an evaluation license, which has now run
out, so I am not able to replay any of the demos.

    I have since come across this open-source simulator for

autonomous driving research, , which looks
really cool, and would like to try that in future.

    However, some points I am able to address reasonably easily, to

which I respond here.

    BA: I wonder whether you can do something to improve the

readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop, I can’t
read any of the labels, and therefore can only guess at what
each of the graphs is trying to convey.

    I have added overlay labels to the graphs to hopefully make

them more understandable.

  WM: - the demos for each activity seem to take too long - any

chance of showing them each within 30 seconds?

  I will be doing a short version of the demo.



  WM: - I am wondering whether going round in a circle is limiting?

Is it too early to navigate streets, or again just pre-empt this
criticism when you explain why the track is circular?

  I have added some explanation to the accompanying description ().

http://carla.org/
http://www.perceptualrobots.com/2018/06/19/autonomous-vehicles/
BL: It might also be worth mentioning that the other color
vehicles were running a fixed program and were not under a
control scheme of any kind and were only positioned to provide
the interference needed to demonstrate the control action being
shown.

I have added this point to the description.

    BL: Also, I don't know what program you created this with so

these suggestions may be of no use whatsoever…

    I'm afraid I didn't really understand the points you made here,

could you expand?

And most importantly!

WM: - get rid of the music!

    What!? The video is pretty mind-numbing as it is. Without the

music I fear for the mental health of anyone watching it!
However, if others have strong views about it let me know. Here
are versions with and without.

https://youtu.be/NlA31cZq4JEhttps://youtu.be/5jIAsCrUIkE

Regards,
Rupert

    On 19/06/2018 07:21, Bill Leach (

via csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

wrleach@cableone.net

Rupert, I second Bruce’s an impressive demo!

      I also agree with Bruce's comments on something like the

dashboard. The first few examples made no sense to me at
all. I have no clue what I was observing. Most of the
multiple vehicle advanced lane control examples were pretty
good I think. Your texts that popped up were quite useful.

      It might also be worth mentioning that the other color

vehicles were running a fixed program and were not under a
control scheme of any kind and were only positioned to provide
the interference needed to demonstrate the control action
being shown.

      Also, I don't know what program you created this with so

these suggestions may be of no use whatsoever…

  •         For the slide at the beginning providing 'next' and
    
    ‘previous’ buttons would be better than just using time
  •         A 'pause' toggle for the motion related demos would be
    
    beneficial also I believe
  •         I am running a laptop that almost qualifies as a gaming
    
    machine but had some data rate problems (I did not try to
    monitor the network traffic) but it seems that it must have
    been quite high.
      On 06/18/2018 08:11 PM, "Bruce

Abbott" (
via csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

bbabbott@frontier.com

            [From

Bruce Abbott (2018.06.18.2200 EDT)]

          [From Rupert Young (2018.06.19

00.10)]

          I've been preparing a proof of

concept in the domain of AVs, here’s a preview, https://youtu.be/4rwzPtc1eyw

          Comments welcome before I put it

live.

Impressive demo, Rupert!

            I wonder whether you can do something to improve the

readability of the graphs. At full screen on my laptop,
I can’t read any of the labels, and therefore can only
guess at what each of the graphs is trying to convey.

            It might be nice to add a “dashboard” to the portion

showing the track (perhaps at the center of the
circle). The dashboard might display (in relatively
large font) The blue vehicle’s sensor readings:
current speed and acceleration, distance to other
vehicles immediately ahead and behind in the current and
adjacent lane. I know these things are shown in the
graphs but it would be easier to see what is happening
dynamically by reading the dashboard rather than trying
to locate and interpret the appropriate graph traces.

Bruce

[From Rupert Young (2018.06.25 18.30)]

···

Bill, it’s just a video so there’s no interaction. As it’s a
youtube video you can press the usual pause button to stop it.

Rupert

  On 19/06/2018 17:37, Bill Leach

( via csgnet Mailing List) wrote:

Rupert,

    The comment before the bulleted suggestions was made because it

quite possible that the software used is not capable of
implementing them.

    1st bullet:  You used quite a long time delay between the first

few slides. I am suggesting that, if the program supports it,
to add ‘next’ and ‘previous’ buttons to each of those slides to
permit the viewer to either step through them as quickly as they
are able to read the slides as well as go back to a previous
one.

    2nd bullet:  The 'toggle' button suggestion is to allow the

viewer to temporarily stop the demo so that, for example, they
could examine the graphs and ponder them before continuing with
the demo.

    3rd bullet:  Was just an observation.  I would need to do a bit

research myself before I could suggest anything. I only
mentioned it so that if others noticed some ‘jerkiness’ or short
freezes in the demos that they might mention it. Such behavior
can be caused by so many things but would include high
computational requirement for the displaying machine, data rates
very high for the available bandwidth, delays in communications
between the server and the display, etc.

Bill

wrleach@cableone.net

[From Rupert Young (2018.06.29 12.45)]

There's a short video now, http://www.perceptualrobots.com/2018/06/19/autonomous-vehicles/

Regards,
Rupert