Habit - Help Wanted!

I am in a discussion group reading
The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

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Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

[From Rick Marken (2015.06.12.1600)]

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On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:10 PM, “lloydk@klinedinst.comcsgnet@lists.illinois.edu wrote:

LK: I am in a discussion group reading
The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

LK: I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

RM: Sure, I’ll try. But first I have to know what Duhigg means by “habit”. What is the phenomenon we’re trying to explain?

RM: As I recall from my undergraduate psychology classes, a “habit” referred to a stimulus-response link. If that’s what Duhigg means by “habit” then a habit is like a reflex. So my explanation of reflex can count as my PCT explanation of habit.

Best

Rick

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.
Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

[From Fred Nickols (2015.06.12.1905)]

I think it is a little more complicated than that. Duhigg refers to cue-routine-reward as the means by which a habit is formed. Many a behaviorist of my acquaintance of mine would yawn and say, “Stimulus-Response-Reinforcement” - so what? I think there is more to it than that.

To answer your question, by “habit” he seems to mean an automatic or unthinking action. I am reading the book because I have a hunch it is important. He writes about the location in the brain where all this takes place. I don’t recall that Bill ever situated the hierarchy in the brain. So it remains an abstract structure with no precise physical home.

Anyway, I’ll keep reading.

Fred Nickols

Managing Partner

Distance Consulting LLC

Be sure you measure what you want.

Be sure you want what you measure.

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On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:10 PM, “lloydk@klinedinst.comcsgnet@lists.illinois.edu wrote:

LK: I am in a discussion group reading
The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

LK: I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

RM: Sure, I’ll try. But first I have to know what Duhigg means by “habit”. What is the phenomenon we’re trying to explain?

RM: As I recall from my undergraduate psychology classes, a “habit” referred to a stimulus-response link. If that’s what Duhigg means by “habit” then a habit is like a reflex. So my explanation of reflex can count as my PCT explanation of habit.

Best

Rick

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.
Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

[From: Richard Pfau (2015.06.12 23:47 EST)]

Ref: ““lloydk@klinedinst.com”” Fri, Jun 12, 2015 4:27 pm

A habit is simply the observable behavior of a control system that has been organized such that its actions, which seem to be similar during different occurrences, are effective in producing a desired perception in similar situations. Originally the actions taken to reach the desired perception and associated reference were carried out, either consciously or unconsciously, in a way that led to the elimination or reduction of an error signal, such that the desired reference perception was achieved. Over time, the system was organized or reorganized in a way that the behavior involved was repeated when similar situations, perceptions, error signals, and their reduction occurred – and what is called “a habit” or “habitual behavior” was established.

Duhigg describes “The Habit Loop”, where a Cue leads to a Routine which leads to a Reward which leads to the Cue and so on around the loop. In short, using his loop with PCT in mind, a Cue (which results in perceptual signals that, when compared to a reference, produces error signals) leads to a Routine (such as similar physical behavior that has occurred over several cycles) that leads to a Reward (a decrease or elimination of the error signal) that over several cycles establishes a control system which is activated when similar Cues/Situations and related error signals occur.

Duhigg seems to have part of the control loop idea in mind, but leaves out important aspects such as references and error signals.

At least, that’s the way it seems to me.

With Regards,

Richard Pfau

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Subject: Habit - Help Wanted!

I am in a discussion group reading
The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

[From Fred Nickols (2015.06.13.0432 EST)]

I think Richard’s explanation is consistent with my view of things. I had it laid out in my mind as follows:

Cue – Routine – Reward

Stimulus – Response – Reinforcement

GAP – ACT – GAP CLOSED

A gap being a discrepancy between the perceived value of a controlled variable and the reference value for that variable (i.e., an error signal).

I’m still reading…

Fred Nickols

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[From: Richard Pfau (2015.06.12 23:47 EST)]

Ref: ““lloydk@klinedinst.com”” Fri, Jun 12, 2015 4:27 pm

A habit is simply the observable behavior of a control system that has been organized such that its actions, which seem to be similar during different occurrences, are effective in producing a desired perception in similar situations. Originally the actions taken to reach the desired perception and associated reference were carried out, either consciously or unconsciously, in a way that led to the elimination or reduction of an error signal, such that the desired reference perception was achieved. Over time, the system was organized or reorganized in a way that the behavior involved was repeated when similar situations, perceptions, error signals, and their reduction occurred – and what is called “a habit” or “habitual behavior” was established.

Duhigg describes “The Habit Loop”, where a Cue leads to a Routine which leads to a Reward which leads to the Cue and so on around the loop. In short, using his loop with PCT in mind, a Cue (which results in perceptual signals that, when compared to a reference, produces error signals) leads to a Routine (such as similar physical behavior that has occurred over several cycles) that leads to a Reward (a decrease or elimination of the error signal) that over several cycles establishes a control system which is activated when similar Cues/Situations and related error signals occur.

Duhigg seems to have part of the control loop idea in mind, but leaves out important aspects such as references and error signals.

At least, that’s the way it seems to me.

With Regards,

Richard Pfau

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Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 4:27 pm
Subject: Habit - Help Wanted!

I am in a discussion group reading

The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

[From Rick Marken (2015.06.13.0800)]

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Fred Nickols (2015.06.12.1905)

FN: I think it is a little more complicated than that.

RM: What is more complicated than what?

FN: Duhigg refers to cue-routine-reward as the means by which a habit is formed. Many a behaviorist of my acquaintance of mine would yawn and say, “Stimulus-Response-Reinforcement” - so what? I think there is more to it than that.

RM: This is Duhigg’s explanation of a habit but I still don’t know what he thinks a habit it. What do I look for to see that a habit is happening?

FN: To answer your question, by “habit” he seems to mean an automatic or unthinking action.

RM: “Automatic” and “unthinking” are not things that I can see in behavior. I think Duhigg may not be clear about the difference between a fact (observation) and an explanation of that fact.

FN: I am reading the book because I have a hunch it is important.

RM: From what I’ve heard so far I can assure you that it is not.

FN: He writes about the location in the brain where all this takes place.

RM: Now I’m sure that it’s nonsense. This is just the new phrenology, where claiming that the identification of some location in the brain (identified by a high tech technique like fMRI) as being responsible for some behavioral phenomenon constitutes an explanation of that phenomenon. This is junk science at it’s most pompous.

FN: I don’t recall that Bill ever situated the hierarchy in the brain. So it remains an abstract structure with no precise physical home.

RM: I love you Fred but I’ve gotta say that am really tired of hearing about how PCT is not anchored in neurophyiology. I’ve heard this as a reason to pay attention to the equilibrium point nonsense and now I get it as a reason to pay attention to this habit stuff. In fact Bill did “situate” the hierarchy in the “brain” (actually, in the whole nervous system) and he did an extremely good job of it. Take a look, for example, at Figures 7.1 and 9.1 in B:CP. I’ve always found Bill’s “anchoring” of PCT in neurophysiology to be orders of magnitude better than what I’ve seen done by the presumed experts in neurophysiology.

FN: Anyway, I’ll keep reading.

RM: I think you’d be better off reading “Doing Research on Purpose”. If you bought it sales would increase by nearly 100% and I might even get a review on Amazon finally!:wink:

Best

Rick

Fred Nickols

Managing Partner

Distance Consulting LLC

Be sure you measure what you want.

Be sure you want what you measure.

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Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.
Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:10 PM, “lloydk@klinedinst.comcsgnet@lists.illinois.edu wrote:

LK: I am in a discussion group reading
The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

LK: I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

RM: Sure, I’ll try. But first I have to know what Duhigg means by “habit”. What is the phenomenon we’re trying to explain?

RM: As I recall from my undergraduate psychology classes, a “habit” referred to a stimulus-response link. If that’s what Duhigg means by “habit” then a habit is like a reflex. So my explanation of reflex can count as my PCT explanation of habit.

Best

Rick

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com


Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.
Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

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[From Rick Marken (2015.06.13.0915)]

Richard Pfau (2015.06.12 23:47 EST)

Ref: ““lloydk@klinedinst.com”” Fri, Jun 12, 2015 4:27 pm

A habit is simply the observable behavior of a control system that has been organized such that its actions, which seem to be similar during different occurrences, are effective in producing a desired perception in similar situations.

RM: I can’t tell who is saying what in this post – Lloyd or Richard – so I don’t know who I’m replying to. Maybe that’s not important. Anyway, this definition of a habit is strange since it defines the phenomenon in terms of an explanation. If a “habit” is just the operation of a control system then a habit is a word that refers to the behavior of a control system; that is, “habit” is just another word for “control”.

Originally the actions taken to reach the desired perception and associated reference were carried out, either consciously or unconsciously, in a way that led to the elimination or reduction of an error signal, such that the desired reference perception was achieved. Over time, the system was organized or reorganized in a way that the behavior involved was repeated when similar situations, perceptions, error signals, and their reduction occurred – and what is called “a habit” or “habitual behavior” was established.

RM: In control what is repeated is the state of the controlled controlled variable. This consistency can only be achieved by varying the actions that affect this varuable appropriately, so as to protect it from the effects of disturbances. So if “habit” refers to a “behavior” that is repeated then “behavior” can only refer to the controlled variable, not to the actions that control this variable.

Duhigg describes “The Habit Loop”, where a Cue leads to a Routine which leads to a Reward which leads to the Cue and so on around the loop. In short, using his loop with PCT in mind, a Cue (which results in perceptual signals that, when compared to a reference, produces error signals) leads to a Routine (such as similar physical behavior that has occurred over several cycles) that leads to a Reward (a decrease or elimination of the error signal) that over several cycles establishes a control system which is activated when similar Cues/Situations and related error signals occur.

RM: What is being described here is a sequential S-R “loop”. This is not a control loop. A control loop, as you may recall, is organized around the control of perceptual variables. Based on the above description of the loop I take “Cue” to correspond to “disturbance”. There is no description of the perceptual variable (PV) to which this Cue is a disturbance. But if this is a control loop then there must be a controlled PV that is affected by both the Cue and the output, which is apparently the “Routine”.

RM: The term reward simply refers to the result of the negative feedback relationship between output (Routine) and the error that drives the output (the difference between PV and reference). This system will vary its output Routine as necessary to keep the PV at the reference. Assuming that the PV is the perceived relationship between Routine and Cue and that the reference is for the Routine to occur only when the Cue is present then this loop will produce a Routine when the Cue is present and no Routine when it’s not. This will look like the Cue is causing the system to “habitually” produce the Routine but, of course, this is just the behavioral illusion, an illusion that would be revealed if the reference for the PV were changed from “do the routine on Cue” to “do the routine only when there is no Cue”.

Duhigg seems to have part of the control loop idea in mind, but leaves out important aspects such as references and error signals.

RM: Yes, and he leaves out what is even more important: the perceptual variable that is being controlled by the control system. Also, note that there are no “cycles” in a control loop; a control system is not a sequential state process; all variables in the loop are varying simultaneously (we have to imitate this fact when we make models of control on sequential state machines like digital computers).

At least, that’s the way it seems to me.

RM: I think the problem here is that PCT shows that many of the presumed phenomena that conventional psychology takes very seriously – things like reinforcement, habit, reflex, etc – are really just aspects of control (see my “Blind Men and the Elephant” paper in “More Mind Readings”, another book I recommend in lieu of the Duhigg book;-) This, of course, makes it tough to talk with people who take conventional psychology seriously since they are mainly talking about illusions. And, of course, that doesn’t help them fall in love with PCT either. This is why you really have to be prepared to “get no respect” from conventional psychologists when you start talking to them about PCT.

Best regards

Rick

With Regards,

Richard Pfau

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Subject: Habit - Help Wanted!

I am in a discussion group reading
The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com


Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.
Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

I bought the book.

Fred

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[From Rick Marken (2015.06.13.0800)]

Fred Nickols (2015.06.12.1905)

FN: I think it is a little more complicated than that.

RM: What is more complicated than what?

FN: Duhigg refers to cue-routine-reward as the means by which a habit is formed. Many a behaviorist of my acquaintance of mine would yawn and say, “Stimulus-Response-Reinforcement” - so what? I think there is more to it than that.

RM: This is Duhigg’s explanation of a habit but I still don’t know what he thinks a habit it. What do I look for to see that a habit is happening?

FN: To answer your question, by “habit” he seems to mean an automatic or unthinking action.

RM: “Automatic” and “unthinking” are not things that I can see in behavior. I think Duhigg may not be clear about the difference between a fact (observation) and an explanation of that fact.

FN: I am reading the book because I have a hunch it is important.

RM: from what I’ve heard so far I can assure you that it is not.

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FN: He writes about the location in the brain where all this takes place.

RM: Now I’m sure that it’s nonsense. This is just the new phrenology, where claiming that the identification of some location in the brain (identified by a high tech technique like fMRI) as being responsible for some behavioral phenomenon constitutes an explanation of that phenomenon. This is junk science at it’s most pompous.

FN: I don’t recall that Bill ever situated the hierarchy in the brain. So it remains an abstract structure with no precise physical home.

RM: I love you Fred but I’ve gotta say that am really tired of hearing about how PCT is not anchored in neurophyiology. I’ve heard this as a reason to pay attention to the equilibrium point nonsense and now I get it as a reason to pay attention to this habit stuff. In fact Bill did “situate” the hierarchy in the “brain” (actually, in the whole nervous system) and he did an extremely good job of it. Take a look, for example, at Figures 7.1 and 9.1 in B:CP. I’ve always found Bill’s “anchoring” of PCT in neurophysiology to be orders of magnitude better than what I’ve seen done by the presumed experts in neurophysiology.

FN: Anyway, I’ll keep reading.

RM: I think you’d be better off reading “Doing Research on Purpose”. If you bought it sales would increase by nearly 100% and I might even get a review on Amazon finally!:wink:

Best

Rick

Fred Nickols

Managing Partner

Distance Consulting LLC

Be sure y
ou measure what you want.

Be sure you want what you measure.

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[From Rick Marken (2015.06.12.1600)]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:10 PM, “lloydk@klinedinst.com” < csgnet@lists.illinois.edu > > > wrote:

LK: I am in a discussion group reading

The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

LK: I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

RM: Sure, I’ll try. But first I have to know what Duhigg means by “habit”. What is the phenomenon we’re trying to explain?

RM: As I recall from my undergraduate psychology classes, a “habit” referred to a stimulus-response link. If that’s what Duhigg means by “habit” then a habit is like a reflex. So my explanation of reflex can count as my PCT explanation of habit.

Best

Rick

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Contr
ol of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Kline
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10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

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On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Fred Nickols fred@nickols.us wrote:

FN: I bought the book.

RM: Thanks Fred. Sales are skyrocketing! I’ll be rich, I tell you, rich !!

Best

Rick

Fred

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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 11:02 AM
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[From Rick Marken (2015.06.13.0800)]

Fred Nickols (2015.06.12.1905)

FN: I think it is a little more complicated than that.

RM: What is more complicated than what?

FN: Duhigg refers to cue-routine-reward as the means by which a habit is formed. Many a behaviorist of my acquaintance of mine would yawn and say, “Stimulus-Response-Reinforcement” - so what? I think there is more to it than that.

RM: This is Duhigg’s explanation of a habit but I still don’t know what he thinks a habit it. What do I look for to see that a habit is happening?

FN: To answer your question, by “habit” he seems to mean an automatic or unthinking action.

RM: “Automatic” and “unthinking” are not things that I can see in behavior. I think Duhigg may not be clear about the difference between a fact (observation) and an explanation of that fact.

FN: I am reading the book because I have a hunch it is important.

RM: From what I’ve heard so far I can assure you that it is not.

FN: He writes about the location in the brain where all this takes place.

RM: Now I’m sure that it’s nonsense. This is just the new phrenology, where claiming that the identification of some location in the brain (identified by a high tech technique like fMRI) as being responsible for some behavioral phenomenon constitutes an explanation of that phenomenon. This is junk science at it’s most pompous.

FN: I don’t recall that Bill ever situated the hierarchy in the brain. So it remains an abstract structure with no precise physical home.

RM: I love you Fred but I’ve gotta say that am really tired of hearing about how PCT is not anchored in neurophyiology. I’ve heard this as a reason to pay attention to the equilibrium point nonsense and now I get it as a reason to pay attention to this habit stuff. In fact Bill did “situate” the hierarchy in the “brain” (actually, in the whole nervous system) and he did an extremely good job of it. Take a look, for example, at Figures 7.1 and 9.1 in B:CP. I’ve always found Bill’s “anchoring” of PCT in neurophysiology to be orders of magnitude better than what I’ve seen done by the presumed experts in neurophysiology.

FN: Anyway, I’ll keep reading.

RM: I think you’d be better off reading “Doing Research on Purpose”. If you bought it sales would increase by nearly 100% and I might even get a review on Amazon finally!:wink:

Best

Rick

Fred Nickols

Managing Partner

Distance Consulting LLC

Be sure you measure what you want.

Be sure you want what you measure.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 12, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Richard Marken (rsmarken@gmail.com via csgnet Mailing List) csgnet@lists.illinois.edu wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2015.06.12.1600)]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:10 PM, “lloydk@klinedinst.comcsgnet@lists.illinois.edu wrote:

LK: I am in a discussion group reading

The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business by Charles Duhigg.

LK: I would appreciate any views and references you wish to share with me about this aspect of behavior in our

own PCT terms as control of perception.

RM: Sure, I’ll try. But first I have to know what Duhigg means by “habit”. What is the phenomenon we’re trying to explain?

RM: As I recall from my undergraduate psychology classes, a “habit” referred to a stimulus-response link. If that’s what Duhigg means by “habit” then a habit is like a reflex. So my explanation of reflex can count as my PCT explanation of habit.

Best

Rick

At first search through my PCT works, I only find a reference in Behavior: The Control of Perception in the section on Model Building, p 15 ff in paperback edition.

Many thanks in advance for any help you offer in response to my request.

Lloyd

Dr. Lloyd Klinedinst
10 Dover Lane
Villa Ridge, MO 63089-2001
HomeVoice: (636) 451-3232

Lloyd Mobile: (314)-609-5571
email: lloydk@klinedinst.com

website: http://www.klinedinst.com

Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.

Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.

Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble

Richard S. Marken

www.mindreadings.com
Author of Doing Research on Purpose.
Now available from Amazon or Barnes & Noble