Hal to Martin

Gotcha, thanks. I'll read and reflect a bit. I'm not convinced yet
that the model as you portray it doesn't assume that the referent
(your word) doesn't come from within the individual rather than being
an interaction of one's own previous referent and perceived referents
of others, and in this sense of one-way directionality I still see
linearity, but let me read and think on.

Does my premise make sense that we have a tenth-order choice of
referents--between defining a gap between our perception and our
referent as the basis of our disturbance, and defining a failure of
our own lower-level choice of referent changes to resonate with
others'? Within one model the gap between lower-order referent and
perception is inherently disturbing; within the other accord with
others (in effect marching in unison) would be a source of
disturbance.

I know I'm being clumsy about expressing it, but do you see my point
about the importance of modeling two or more actors' control in
relation to one another? l&p hal

[Martin Taylor 931005 14:00]
(Hal Pepinsky Tue, 5 Oct 1993 12:41:55)

Sorry if I used "referent". It should read "reference" or "reference
signal" or "reference level" depending on the context.

do you see my point
about the importance of modeling two or more actors' control in
relation to one another?

Absolutely. That's been more or less the focus of my work for the last
10 or 12 years, both before and after learning about PCT. That's probably
why I bug you when you say things that have no meaning for me, either
within the PCT framework or in natural language (or in what little I
understand of your descriptive framework--I hesitate to use the term
"model"). It's easier to talk when we have a common background in more
than the use of the same lexicon. Using the same words but with radically
different denotations and connotations is not a recipe for easy
communication.

Martin