From [Marc Abrams (2005.10.20.0003)
Good it seems we are making some progress.
In a message dated 10/19/2005 9:52:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bryanth@SOLTEC.NET writes:
[From Bryan Thalhammer (2005.10.19.2051 CDT)]
From [Marc Abrams (2005.10.19.2031)]
Marc wrote:
“Sometimes in [sic] pays to be persistent. 
Maybe this is the
beginning of
something positive.”
…
“I[n] [a] very non aggressive, non vicious, but non-the-less most
inexcusable; Fuck off ;-)”
Marc, so then the above is what you were trying to say? Dang, I
see! Non-agressive, you say? But that is not the best way to
express oneself in a professional forum.
Please Read the two posts below from Bill and Rick.
From Bill Powers (2005.10.18.1539 MDT)]
Rick Marken (2005.10.18.1340) –
Marc Abrams (2005.10.18.1439) –
Our thread started out as a discussion on whether the economy is a zero-sum
game. You then changed the subject to focus on your main concern which is
wealth distribution.
Rick, I see you allowed yourself to get hooked again by outrageous
leaps of logic and nasty remarks that just cry out for denial. Just
thought I would call this to your attention.
···
[Rick Marken (2005.10.18.1555)]
I only reply to Marc in the hope that my replies might be of
interest to others. It’s kind of like bullfighting (and just
as stupid, really): it is done, not to teach the bull anything, but to show
the audience something.
By that do you mean you don’t have to behave as a professional when you >post on a professional forum? Are you a professional then?
I told you before and I’ll say it for the last time so listen up.
I extend to others the same amount of respect they extend to me, and I don’t take crap from anyone, even in a ‘professional’ forum.
You like to talk about a ‘level playing’ field. Where is your outrage that Bill and Rick are turning your professional forum into crap?
Where is your sense of justice and fairness?
Where is your integrity?
With regard to the rest of your post, I will consider it and
perhaps reply at some later time. I too am persistent.
Good, so perhaps with some thought and a review and reflection on some posts maybe you can begin to see things in a different light
However, it is still my opinion that the anti-social discourse
you exhibit…
Sorry Bryan, you and I come from different ‘social’ settings.
is the thing that is objected to on this forum, not you yourself,
Really? If this were the case and respect was actually there why would Rick say what he did and why would Bill if he was seriously and honestly interested in helping me, why not point out the logic mistakes I made? he didn’t because I made no logic mistakes. Bill came riding to Rick’s rescue.
It is a game Bryan they have played very well for a number oof years and it goes something like this;
Rick gets knee deep into trouble because he gets himself enmeshed in arguments where he looks very foolish
Bill than comes strolling in making wild assertions about the other party and suggests Rick has been bamboozled into a phony debate
Rick than thanks Bill for ‘waking’ him up just in time and promises never to let it happen again.
Of course Rick couldn’t keep that promise when he saw a chance to jump on me for my hypercomplex cell mistake.
This has been played out ad nauseam with many folks besides myself.
regardless of the examples of other more generous
behaviors you offered. But when your bad behavior (as aggressive
and childish as it often become) overshadows the positive things
you wrote that you hoped to achieve, perhaps a bit of
reorganization may have to take place before your behavior is
more aligned with the type of behaviors most others here are all
controlling for.
Perhaps, but I need the help of others if this is going to happen. What kind of help? I need people to respect who I am and are willing to help explain to me ***with examples and illustrations *** why you say what you do about me. Like your statement above is worthless. How can I change my ‘childish’ behavior if I don’t know what you are talking about? And as I hoped I illustrated before, are you sure we would agree it was ‘childish’?
Our relationship will not change by some magic bullet or ‘reorganization’. It will change when you and I start to stablish some trust and respect.
Give it some thought.
Marc
-Bryan