(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.23.10.53NZT)
[From Erling Jorgensen
(Gavin Ritz 2011.11.23.8.38NZT)
Thank you but this really
hasn’t answered my specific questions.
What is the disturbances (list all possibilities)
What is the controlled variables (list all
What is the output variables. (all possibilities)
Also diagram would be
greatly appreciated, with a list what is each of those in this scenario.
I don’t want qualitative
descriptions, (statements) you are describing the process to me.
I like the profound simplicity of the scenario you
I’m standing looking at a natural scenery. …
Can someone please in the this specific context
I can give my view of a PCT understanding of this
scenario. I am not sure
there is a single PCT view. For instance, I
believe Martin Taylor might
say that this is an instance of passive observation of
are not necessarily being controlled. I think I
would differ, & infer
a control process going, as I’ll try to explain.
I’m standing looking at a natural scenery. Just
looking (not moving, well
maybe a little).
The very fact that you have ‘stopped to look’ tells me
that you are
controlling something. The stopping, which
preceded the “standing” that
you mentioned, would have been a change from whatever
you were previously
doing. A postulate of PCT is that we don’t make
those changes in our
behaviors unless we are controlling for something.
The fact that currently there is ‘very little
movement’ going on tells me
that, whatever the key perceptions are for you, they
are close to your
reference standards for what you want them to
be. The lack of a change
in output, according to PCT, points to no need to
change a perception from
the state it is currently in. The corollary of
this point is there do
not seem to be pronounced disturbances currently
I move my head to take in the full scope of the
possibly blink my eyes.
The ‘moving your head’ tells me that you are
correcting some perception
that wasn’t fully being matched to its reference when
your head was still.
You identify a purpose that you recognize in yourself
– i.e., "to take
in…" And you list what the relevant
perception seems to be, namely,
“the full scope of the scenery.”
It seems that the narrower focal view did not do full
justice to what you
wanted to experience. I am not sure whether this
suggests that your
peripheral vision awareness of the broader scene
formed a disturbance,
presumably by not being fully in focus. And so you
panned your eyes
across the broader scene, bringing each part into
focus & getting a sense
of the grander scene.
The ‘blinking’ seems to have been controlling a
perception of moisture
for your eyes, which was being disturbed by what we
might call dryness
in the air.
I then utter (don’t use my vocal cords) the silent
sound of “beautiful” in my own head.
As a higher level perception, I find this one a little
harder to specify.
The fact that you are doing some kind of ‘silent
utterance’ counts as
behavior in my book, so I believe it is controlling
some perception. I
can’t tell whether it is mid-level, as in the category
of “beautiful,” or
perhaps higher level, as in a principle of
If it is a category perception, it could be that you
are placing the scene
together with other “beautiful” items in
some kind of associative memory.
The essence of the category level, as I see it, is
together, even if they are arbitrary
classifications. To then summon one
item of the class can call forth other associated
If it is a principle perception – and I think I lean
this way – it is in
some way ‘directing the show’. The principle
level of the proposed HPCT
hierarchy is at a relatively high level, specifying
programs should be operative at the next lower
level. It seems to me
that controlling for that perception of ‘beauty’ is
what led to the whole
sequence of behaviors that you describe: the stopping,
the standing, the
looking, the moving of the head, the blinking, the
Each of those would be implemented by what might be
gating nodes at the
program level of perception & control.
In a sense, the high-level control process is ‘bring
forth beauty’, which
is controlled for – instead of being ignored, or
dismissed – by the
whole process that you describe.
I hope this gives one way to ponder how control is
still operative in
these ordinary yet profound experiences that we
have. Thanks for raising
All the best,