[From Rick Marken (980325.1545)]
Bill Powers (980322.1231 MST) --
You [Hans Blom] are using YOUR definition of a control system; I
am using the PCT definition, which you do not understand and (I
hate to sound like Rick) apparently never will.
Well, _I_ don't hate to sound like Rick so I'll take over from
here;-)
Hans et al won't understand PCT until they stop _defending_ their
ideas from it and start _reconsidering_ their ideas in the light
of it. There is certainly nothing wrong with defending ideas that
are important to oneself; indeed, PCT predicts that this is how
people will behave when their ideas are influenced by disturbance.
But this natural inclination to protect one's ideas from disturbances
(like PCT) interfere's with one's ability to learn (PCT). Of course,
this is not a problem for people who see nothing of value in PCT;
but it is a big problem for people, like Hans, Bruce A., Martin T.
and many others, who apparently _do_ (or _did_) see value in PCT.
If you want to learn PCT, you can only do it if you stop defending
against it. And you can only stop defending against it if you can
stop controlling for the ideas that require such defense. I can't
tell you how to stop controlling for those ideas. All I can tell
you is that you will know that you _are_ controlling for these
ideas when you find yourself vigorously defending against PCT
"disturbances" (in the form of statements and explanations made
by PCT's human agents or "policemen" on the net).
When you are able to see that you are defending against PCT, you
will have gone "up a level". From this point of view you may be able
to see that you don't _have to_ defend against PCT because you
don't _have to_ control for the ideas that require this defense. If
you can do this then you may be able to stop defending against
PCT and to start asking questions about it; testing it; seeing
what it is actually about and understanding it. Perhaps, you will
even see that PCT is more elegant, accurate and true than whatever
idea it was you were controlling for that made PCT such an
uncomfortable disturbance.
Perhaps.
Best
Rick
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