[From Bob Clark (930620.08:30 pm EDT)]
Bill Powers (930614.0800 MDT)
Referring to Bruce Nevin (930614.0836), you say:
We need some creative thinking about "the" levels. What would you
propose makes the difference? For example, what sort of perceptual
capability is required to distinguish between another person and a
non-person?
Bill, this is what I'm trying to work out. My post (RKC 921205)
suggested a Fifth Order of Skills, primarily muscle skills. Sixth
Order, as discussed in recent posts, might become Interpersonal
Relationships. The difference would be between inanimate objects and
independent active entities. This would include "animals" with
people as "persons," above. "Communication" could also be considered
for Sixth Order. It would seem to distinguish pretty well between
inanimate objects and "independent active entities."
You note, from Bruce Nevin (above):
Information theory requires a point of view from outside the control
system; it cannot be applied to the control system itself from its
own point of view.
Of course, I agree. But more important, if Info Theory has something
to contribute, let's hear it. So far I seem to have heard only
assertions that it can describe (or do they say "model," or what?)
HPCT independently. Let's get away from "Prove it," tests etc. Some
kind of working example would at least be interesting.
Regards, Bob Clark