On atenfels and power (was Re: A Favor re the 11 Levels of HPCT)

Come on Rick time for you to open up that massive cranium of yours for the wealth of important new concepts that PCT unveils!

I think Martin’s contribution here is pivotal to fully rendered modelling (and therefore understanding) of interacting agents in the real world using PCT.

Warren

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Martin Taylor 2016.06.12.19.55

            MT: If you can't tell the difference between the

road surface of a city block (atenfel) and the time it
takes to get across town (feedback function), nothing I
write will help you. So I don’t think there’s any point
in making any further comment.

          RM: I do know the difference between the surface of a

road and the time it takes to get across town. But your
comment made me realize what my problem was with your
ideas about atenfels (and feedback functions). You seem to
be saying that there are things out there in the world
that are clearly either feedback functions or atenfels.
But I don’t think it’s always that clear. For example, you
say that the “road surface” is a feedback function. But
the “road surface” is just a property of the real world.
Its role in controlling depends on what you are
controlling.

                        RM: I did read it. I didn't see anything

in the write up that suggested that atenfel
was anything other than an unattractive and
unnecessary name for “feedback function”.