[From Dag Forssell (940412 2245)] Rick Marken (940412.1900)]
My point was just that you are appealing to the controlling
nature of other people (managers in your case; educators in Ed's)
when you sell PCT as a theory that "works". For the manager,
"works" means that PCT is a tool that will allow him to produce
the perceptions he wants; perceptions that depend on people
behaving the right way. I know that PCT is likely to produce this
result as a "side effect" because it recognizes the autonomy of
others, the "legitimacy" of conflicts, and so on -- and this is
what you say about PCT; you are presenting it honestly. Ed too.
All I was saying is that the manager who wants things to "work" is
a controller too.
I think we agree on this.
And part of the solution to the manager's problem might be
something that he did not hire you to do -- to change HIS OWN
That is obvious from any explanation of PCT.
Are you going to tell the person who hired you, for example, that
a solution to his problem -- what works -- may be for him to be
willing to want a lower profit margin, or to want his salary to be
within 1% of that of his workers, etc etc.
It is not my place to tell him what to change in his wants. My job
is to teach PCT. He will change his wants if and when it fits his
understanding, values and priorities.
No way Jose. They want the big bucks and they want you to show
them how to get it. They want to be in control. Again, there's
NOTHING WRONG with that -- it just makes it a little tough for
these managers to get all gooey about PCT -- unless you are lucky
and they can achieve their current goals simply by being more
respectful of others. Apparently, one can get some milage out of
that; and that's fine.
You (and Bill P., in his eloquent post) demonstrate a prejudice
that apparently won't quit. By shouting your biases, prejudging
the "problems" my prospective students have, you come across as an
obnoxious fool. But your personal stored perceptions--whatever
gave rise to them--which cause you to hold anti-business political
convictions have nothing to do with teaching PCT, even though they
can be explained, using PCT. May the PCT god be kind to you so you
never have to hold a job in private industry. You might have to
adjust to limited degrees of freedom and make agreements, living up
to the standards of some boss, so you get the fat paycheck you
really want from an individual rather than a taxpayer subsidized
institution. (Businesses pay the taxpayers who subsidize the
institution). If you should suffer that horrible fate, PCT will
show you and your boss, both, what it takes to maximize your mutual
satisfaction. But you have to find a way to teach your boss, if
you want him and yourself to benefit as you know you both can. Why
should he want to listen to you? It could not possibly be in his
interest, could it?
I think it would be good for PCT and the net if Rick Marken could
separate his political agenda, as a representative for the
oppressed, from the task of teaching PCT as a science that offers
impartial understanding of what is. I am hopeful that that might
remove the need for these confrontations.