[Martin Taylor 2014.04.28.11.10]
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On 2014/04/26 4:00 PM, Boris Hartman
wrote:
Martin,
…
But Martin I thinkit would be honest to
other members of CSGnet that you describe continuous
control that is going on in
organism. I know that you know it and I know that you
can do it. You also know
that I wasn’t lying about that Bill said what I wrote
about “never ending continuous
control in LCS”.
Whatever you weredescribing about cofee
and temperature and so on are consequences of
never-ending control processes in
organism and reorganization, which never stops, it’s
continuous through all
“controlling” variations you described. And you can keep
on
describing infinite controlling variations that ends,
begin and so on. This are
all consequences of what is contiuously happening deep
inside organism. Any
physiological process never stops…
I have been
puzzling about why you keep saying this “never ending continuous
control in LCS” has given me a hypothesis that seems to make
sense.
Bill often used wording like that when he was trying to explain
to people that control of a particular perception doesn’t stop
just because error is zero, which means output is not changing.
My hypothesis is that you have taken this wording a bit further
than he intended it, because it is clearly wrong to say that all
perceptions that were ever being controlled are still being
controlled. A kid on a jungle gym controls a lot of perceptions
that are involved in not perceiving him/herself falling to the
ground, but the 70-year-old who the kid became is no longer
controlling those perceptions.
Control of a particular perception does stop under several
conditions. One is when the data to create the percption ceases
to be available or the situation changes so that variations in
the perception not longer matter. When the kid goes home, he is
not controlling a perception of falling (reference “not”) from
the top of the jungle gym. If I ask several people if they know
where X is, I am controlling perceptions of them telling me the
answer, but if one of them does answer, I no longer care whether
any of the others also answer. I cease controlling for
perceiving them to be answering me. Bill’s ordinary use of the
kind of language you quote refers more to control of something
like a perception of hunger (reference “not hungry”) for which
the perception after a good meal is at its reference, but you
are still controlling the perception of hunger.
In the second quoted paragraph, you seem to be talking about
something quite different, which is the point I made several
message earlier in this thread, that if no perceptions are being
controlled, the organism is dead. You objected when I said that,
and asked for prooof that it was so. Now you seem to be agreeing
with me about it and I don’t know why you present it as though
it were something I don’t understand.
The fact that an organism is always controlling a lot of
perceptions does not mean that the set of controlled perceptions
remains the same throughout a lifetime, or even through a single
minute.
Martin