[From Dick Robertson,2008.08.25.1235CDT]
I’ve been away from the keyboard a few days and have been impressed (if that’s the right word) and overwhelmed with the energy that has gone into this thread. I find it reminiscent of a similar process that has overtaken the CSG net a number of times in the past. I find that observation interesting and curious–what is it about PCT? Anyway, I’m trying to recall the name of the last guy whose presumed interest in PCT resulted in a similar flood of explanatory attempts, only to arrive at this point that Fred has reached.
On a different note, A late happy birthday to Bill.
Best,
Dick R
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----- Original Message -----
From: “nickols@att.net” nickols@ATT.NET
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: Power in PCT
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
[From Fred Nickols (2008.08.24.1241 MDT)]
I have been following the “Gavin Ritz diatribe” as I call it but
have chosen not to comment until now.
To Gavin I say if you don’t like or can’t find any use for PCT
then go somewhere else. I have read your posts and I find
in them nothing constructive; just criticism, sniping and
downright dismissive statements. I like PCT. I think
it’s a dandy theory of human behavior and I’ve found plenty of
use for it my work in and with organizations. I’ve also
written a number of papers elaborating on my notions about PCT
and its utility. You can find those on my articles website
at www.skullworks.com. As for your views about power,
you’re certainly entitled to them and you are equally entitled
to dismiss ours and demand that we accept yours. However,
I reject your view of power as poorly defined, inexplicably
vague and, for my money, not worth considering and so I will
continue operating on the basis of my view of power unless and
until such time as someone can pose a better one.
Martin Taylor has been extraordinarily courteous and
professional in his exchanges with you. For that I admire
him even more but I certainly cannot do so myself.
–
Regards,
Fred Nickols
Managing Partner
Distance Consulting, LLC
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us
“Assistance at A Distance”
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Marken rsmarken@GMAIL.COM
[From Rick Marken (2008.08.24.0945)]
(Gavin Ritz 2008.08.24.14.34NZT)
Rick
I know you have tried to be helpful I have downloaded other
programmes but
have been unable to make any headway with any of this stuff.
The write-ups
are poorly designed and constructed and some articles have
to be bought at
obscure locations.
I seem to manage to get crap from all sides of the PCT fence.
I get it
from people like you, who don’t like or understand it. And I
get it
from people like Bill, who do. Why do I do this to myself?
I’m going to go have a chat with god again. Although he
admitted that
he was completely powerless to do anything about anything he
seemed to
have a good sense of humor about it.
Best
Rick
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
Dick:
Would that other person have been Marc Abrams?
P.S. Bill Powers: Please accept my belated birthday wishes as well.
P.P.S. If memory serves, Bill used to live in Durango, CO. There has been a discussion here in Salida amongst the RVers about going over Red Mountain pass as one route to get from Montrose, CO to Durango. A picture of one piece of that pass was posted. It is more than a little intimidating to contemplating driving a motor home with a car in tow over that pass. More than will allow me to set a reference signal for doing so. If I ever go to Durango it will be via a different route. Here's the link to that picture in case any one is interested.
http://www.ouraylovers.com/red-mountain-pass4.jpg
···
--
Regards,
Fred Nickols
Managing Partner
Distance Consulting, LLC
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us
"Assistance at A Distance"
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Robertson Richard <R-Robertson@NEIU.EDU>
[From Dick Robertson,2008.08.25.1235CDT]
I've been away from the keyboard a few days and have been impressed (if that's
the right word) and overwhelmed with the energy that has gone into this thread.
I find it reminiscent of a similar process that has overtaken the CSG net a
number of times in the past. I find that observation interesting and
curious--what is it about PCT? Anyway, I'm trying to recall the name of the last
guy whose presumed interest in PCT resulted in a similar flood of explanatory
attempts, only to arrive at this point that Fred has reached.
On a different note, A late happy birthday to Bill.
Best,
Dick R
----- Original Message -----
From: "nickols@att.net" <nickols@ATT.NET>
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: Power in PCT
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
> [From Fred Nickols (2008.08.24.1241 MDT)]
>
> I have been following the "Gavin Ritz diatribe" as I call it but
> have chosen not to comment until now.
>
> To Gavin I say if you don't like or can't find any use for PCT
> then go somewhere else. I have read your posts and I find
> in them nothing constructive; just criticism, sniping and
> downright dismissive statements. I like PCT. I think
> it's a dandy theory of human behavior and I've found plenty of
> use for it my work in and with organizations. I've also
> written a number of papers elaborating on my notions about PCT
> and its utility. You can find those on my articles website
> at www.skullworks.com. As for your views about power,
> you're certainly entitled to them and you are equally entitled
> to dismiss ours and demand that we accept yours. However,
> I reject your view of power as poorly defined, inexplicably
> vague and, for my money, not worth considering and so I will
> continue operating on the basis of my view of power unless and
> until such time as someone can pose a better one.
>
> Martin Taylor has been extraordinarily courteous and
> professional in his exchanges with you. For that I admire
> him even more but I certainly cannot do so myself.
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols
> Managing Partner
> Distance Consulting, LLC
> nickols@att.net
> www.nickols.us
>
> "Assistance at A Distance"
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Richard Marken <rsmarken@GMAIL.COM>
> >
> > [From Rick Marken (2008.08.24.0945)]
> >
> > > (Gavin Ritz 2008.08.24.14.34NZT)
> >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > I know you have tried to be helpful I have downloaded other
> programmes but
> > > have been unable to make any headway with any of this stuff.
> The write-ups
> > > are poorly designed and constructed and some articles have
> to be bought at
> > > obscure locations.
> >
> > I seem to manage to get crap from all sides of the PCT fence.
> I get it
> > from people like you, who don't like or understand it. And I
> get it
> > from people like Bill, who do. Why do I do this to myself?
> >
> > I'm going to go have a chat with god again. Although he
> admitted that
> > he was completely powerless to do anything about anything he
> seemed to
> > have a good sense of humor about it.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Rick
> > --
> > Richard S. Marken PhD
> > rsmarken@gmail.com
[From Dick Robertson,2008.08.25.1645CDT]
Fred,
Yes, that’s it. I couldn’t remember the name, but I clearly recalled the approach.
And thanks for that great picture.
Best,
Dick R
···
----- Original Message -----
From: “nickols@att.net” nickols@att.net
Date: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: Power in PCT & Tar babies in the PCT mix
To: Robertson Richard R-Robertson@neiu.edu, “(CSGnet), Control Systems Group Network” CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Dick:
Would that other person have been Marc Abrams?
P.S. Bill Powers: Please accept my belated birthday wishes
as well.
P.P.S. If memory serves, Bill used to live in Durango,
CO. There has been a discussion here in Salida amongst the
RVers about going over Red Mountain pass as one route to get
from Montrose, CO to Durango. A picture of one piece of
that pass was posted. It is more than a little
intimidating to contemplating driving a motor home with a car in
tow over that pass. More than will allow me to set a
reference signal for doing so. If I ever go to Durango it
will be via a different route. Here’s the link to that
picture in case any one is interested.
http://www.ouraylovers.com/red-mountain-pass4.jpg
–
Regards,
Fred Nickols
Managing Partner
Distance Consulting, LLC
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us
“Assistance at A Distance”
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Robertson Richard R-Robertson@NEIU.EDU
[From Dick Robertson,2008.08.25.1235CDT]
I’ve been away from the keyboard a few days and have been
impressed (if that’s
the right word) and overwhelmed with the energy that has gone
into this thread.
I find it reminiscent of a similar process that has overtaken
the CSG net a
number of times in the past. I find that observation interesting
and
curious–what is it about PCT? Anyway, I’m trying to recall the
name of the last
guy whose presumed interest in PCT resulted in a similar flood
of explanatory
attempts, only to arrive at this point that Fred has reached.
On a different note, A late happy birthday to Bill.
Best,
Dick R
----- Original Message -----
From: “nickols@att.net” nickols@ATT.NET
Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: Power in PCT
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
[From Fred Nickols (2008.08.24.1241 MDT)]
I have been following the “Gavin Ritz diatribe” as I call it
but
have chosen not to comment until now.
To Gavin I say if you don’t like or can’t find any use for
PCT
then go somewhere else. I have read your posts and I find
in them nothing constructive; just criticism, sniping and
downright dismissive statements. I like PCT. I think
it’s a dandy theory of human behavior and I’ve found plenty
of
use for it my work in and with organizations. I’ve also
written a number of papers elaborating on my notions about
PCT
and its utility. You can find those on my articles website
at www.skullworks.com. As for your views about power,
you’re certainly entitled to them and you are equally
entitled
to dismiss ours and demand that we accept yours. However,
I reject your view of power as poorly defined, inexplicably
vague and, for my money, not worth considering and so I will
continue operating on the basis of my view of power unless
and
until such time as someone can pose a better one.
Martin Taylor has been extraordinarily courteous and
professional in his exchanges with you. For that I admire
him even more but I certainly cannot do so myself.
–
Regards,
Fred Nickols
Managing Partner
Distance Consulting, LLC
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us
“Assistance at A Distance”
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Marken rsmarken@GMAIL.COM
[From Rick Marken (2008.08.24.0945)]
(Gavin Ritz 2008.08.24.14.34NZT)
Rick
I know you have tried to be helpful I have downloaded
other
programmes but
have been unable to make any headway with any of this
stuff.
The write-ups
are poorly designed and constructed and some articles
have
to be bought at
obscure locations.
I seem to manage to get crap from all sides of the PCT
fence.
I get it
from people like you, who don’t like or understand it. And
I
get it
from people like Bill, who do. Why do I do this to myself?
I’m going to go have a chat with god again. Although he
admitted that
he was completely powerless to do anything about anything
he
seemed to
have a good sense of humor about it.
Best
Rick
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
