Publication Announcement (Brief diversion from Re: Uncertainty, Information...)

CSGnet Archive CSG2013
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[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you’ll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill’s first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc…) thread so that that thread can be continued on it’s own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

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–
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

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[Martin Taylor 2013.03.04.11.42]

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

Congratulations on all this. Whether I agree with or not, this is quite a feather in your cap. I'd like a PDF if you don't mind, so that I can join Bill in telling you what an asshole you are :slight_smile:

So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

I have found over the years that my better publications have almost all followed similar kinds of disturbance. Initially they are written as though to someone who misunderstands something I want them to understand, but they always grow out of that into something more generally useful. I don't know whether the original target person is ever influenced, but they have made me feel better after they are done!

I shall try to keep disturbing your constrained understanding of PCT.

Martin

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[From Andrew Nichols (2013.03.04 11:48 am CST)]

Rick,

I’d be interested in the pdf of the paper, if it’s not any trouble.

Andrew

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Richard Marken rsmarken@gmail.com wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you’ll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill’s first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc…) thread so that that thread can be continued on it’s own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

–
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

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David Goldstein (2013.03.04.1250 EST)

Rick,

Congratulations! I would appreciate receiving a copy.

David

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On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Richard Marken rsmarken@GMAIL.COM wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you’ll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill’s first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc…) thread so that that thread can be continued on it’s own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

–
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

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[From Fred Nickols (2013.03.04.1100 AZT)]

Count me in, Rick. I’d like a copy too.

Fred Nickols

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From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet) [mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Marken
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:27 AM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Subject: Publication Announcement (Brief diversion from Re: Uncertainty, Information…)

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you’ll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill’s first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc…) thread so that that thread can be continued on it’s own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

–
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

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[From Fred Nickols (2013.03.04.1100 AZT)]

Count me in, Rick. I’d like a copy too.

Fred Nickols

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From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet) [mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Marken
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 9:27 AM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Subject: Publication Announcement (Brief diversion from Re: Uncertainty, Information…)

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you’ll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill’s first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc…) thread so that that thread can be continued on it’s own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

7

I would like a copy of your paper please, Rick.

Thank you and go well.

Grace.

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From:
Richard Marken

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Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:27 AM

Subject: Publication Announcement (Brief diversion from Re: Uncertainty, Information…)

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

 RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally -- that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you’ll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill’s first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc…) thread so that that thread can be continued on it’s own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

–
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

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[From Bill Powers (2013.03.04.1455 MST)]

Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830) –

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can
get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at
both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to
both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the
budget.

BP: If the Republicans would allow tax increases, there would be no
impasse.If Obama would cut entitlements enough and give up on taxes,
there would be no impasse. It takes two people to create and maintain an
interpersonal conflict.

But be that as it may, I think
the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin.
Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of
those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The
paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL
PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the
February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be
posted at their website:


http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon
request.

Put me on the list! Looks like you have a bit of a bandwagon starting to
move, there.

Best,

Bill P.

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bob hintz - 2013.03.04

Please add me to the list as well. I"m looking forward to reading it.

bob

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Bill Powers powers_w@frontier.net wrote:

[From Bill Powers (2013.03.04.1455 MST)]

Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830) –

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can
get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at
both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to
both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the
budget.

BP: If the Republicans would allow tax increases, there would be no
impasse.If Obama would cut entitlements enough and give up on taxes,
there would be no impasse. It takes two people to create and maintain an
interpersonal conflict.

But be that as it may, I think
the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin.
Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of
those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The
paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL
PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the
February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be
posted at their website:


http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon
request.

Put me on the list! Looks like you have a bit of a bandwagon starting to
move, there.

Best,

Bill P.

10

Ditto for me. Can’t wait to read it.

Chuck Tucker 2013.03.04

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Bill Powers powers_w@frontier.net wrote:

[From Bill Powers (2013.03.04.1455 MST)]

Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830) –

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can
get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally – that post was aimed at
both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to
both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the
budget.

BP: If the Republicans would allow tax increases, there would be no
impasse.If Obama would cut entitlements enough and give up on taxes,
there would be no impasse. It takes two people to create and maintain an
interpersonal conflict.

But be that as it may, I think
the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin.
Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of
those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The
paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL
PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the
February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be
posted at their website:


http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon
request.

Put me on the list! Looks like you have a bit of a bandwagon starting to
move, there.

Best,

Bill P.

-----Original Message-----

From: Bob Hintz

Sent: Mar 4, 2013 7:23 PM

To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU

Subject: Re: Publication Announcement (Brief diversion from Re: Uncertainty, Information…)

bob hintz - 2013.03.04

Please add me to the list as well. I"m looking forward to reading it.

bob

11

I’d appreciate a copy.

Thank you.

Adam

12

Rick,

I'd love to see your new paper.

I have a grandson I especially would liike to see it.

Congratualations on publication.

Dick R

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From: Control Systems Group Network (CSGnet) [CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Marken [rsmarken@GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 10:27 AM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Subject: Publication Announcement (Brief diversion from Re: Uncertainty, Information...)

[From Rick Marken (2013.03.04.0830)]

Bill Powers (2013.03.03.1705 MST)

RM: So I hope you get yourself organized again soon so you can get back to chiding me for being such an asshole;-)

BP: I like to spread the benefits equally -- that post was aimed at both of you.

RM: Yes, like the press likes to be balanced by assigning equal blame to both Obama and the Republicans for the impasse over the budget.

But be that as it may, I think the true benefits of your comments come after my debates with Martin. Because these debates almost always are the seeds of a paper. And one of those seeds sprouted into a paper that will be published this month. The paper is called TAKING PURPOSE INTO ACCOUNT IN EXPERIMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY: TESTING FOR CONTROLLED VARIABLES and it will appear in the February 2013 issue of Psychological Reports. It will eventually be posted at their website:

http://www.amsciepub.com/loi/pr0

But if anyone is interested I can send a PDF of it upon request. The journal seemed to like it so it will be a featured article, which means that they did a written interview with me that will eventually be posted at:

http://www.amsci.com/category/news/author-interviews/

This paper emerged out of an argument that Martin and I had on CSGNet a couple years ago. The paper went through several iterations and Bill was very helpful with suggestions that removed errors and generally improved the quality of the paper enormously. So both Martin and Bill are essential to my creative process and I thank them both for their contribution to this paper, Martin for providing the disturbance that demanded that I take action and Bill for providing the knowledge that guided my action to the mark.

Getting a paper like this published is tougher than pulling teeth (you'll quickly see why if you read it). I think I went though 4 journals before Psych Reports finally took it. And the reviewers for Psych Reports were pretty tough too. But Psych Reports does say that it encourages the publication of controversial papers and they seem to be true to their word. Warren Mansell pointed out to me that Psych Reports published Bill's first description of PCT (with Clark and McFarland) back in 1961. They also (coincidentally) published my first paper on PCT back in 1980.

I am taking this post out of the "Uncertainty, Information, etc...) thread so that that thread can be continued on it's own; who knows, another paper may come out of that. But I thought this would be an opportune time to announce the publication.

Best regards

Rick

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rsmarken@gmail.com<mailto:rsmarken@gmail.com>
www.mindreadings.com<http://www.mindreadings.com>