[From Rick Marken (2006.08.12.1220)]
Bill Powers (2006.08.12.0825 MDT)--
It might be interesting to discuss what that approach accomplishes that is not accomplished by saying what you meant
I just thought I'd let you know that I talked to Linda about this and she sided with _you_! She thought that my sarcastic remark (that Condi's comment couldn't be a lie because Republicans don't lie) was non-productive and detracted from an otherwise interesting observation (that Condi's comment would be rather surprising to many people and would lead to questions about whether she was perceiving things differently than most).
So there you have it. I can only conclude that you are both anti-semitic;-)
Best
Rick
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[From Bill Powers (2006.08.12.1505 MDT)]
Rick Marken (2006.08.12.1220) --
So there you have it. I can only conclude that you are both anti-semitic;-)
I thought I had hidden it better. But aren't the Arabs Semites, too? What's the difference?
Martin Taylor (2006.08.12.16.29) --
I think both you and Bill (not cited) have been missing my point. Rice might have been describing the situation as she believes it to be, or she might not. It's irrelevant which is the case. For PCT, the point is that she performed an observable behaviour (verbal, as it happens), which was, according to the PCT basic concept, in order to affect some perception that SHE had.
I agree with this, but I agree more with your other point, which is that trying to guess at the results of the Test at a distance are as futile as trying to psychoanalyse characters in a novel. When you try, the main result is to expose your biases, since there isn't any other basis for what you say.
Here's an idea that might work in the long run. I don't know what form it would take after all the arguments about definitions have been settled, but for starters, suppose the UN simply declared that no terrorist organization will be able to trade with other nations, or be heard in their councils, or in any way be allowed to achieve its goals even if it succeeds in taking over power. In short, no matter what you want, if you employ terrorism to get it you will not get it.
Which leaves terrorism to be defined. Some people who purport to be violently against terrorisn might have a problem finding a definition that doesn't include them.
Best,
Bill P.
[From Rick Marken (2006.08.12.1800)]
Bill Powers (2006.08.12.1505 MDT)--
Rick Marken (2006.08.12.1220) --
So there you have it. I can only conclude that you are both anti-semitic;-)
I thought I had hidden it better.
Hey, you were great. Damn near as good as Linda. But the tell was the same for both of you; you disagreed with me. Never contradict a Semite;-)
But aren't the Arabs Semites, too? What's the difference?
Their mothers aren't Jewish. So they don't have to call as often. And when they do call they don't have to listen to "So your shiksa girlfriend is more important than me?
Best
Rick
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From [Marc Abrams (2006.08.13.1449)]
[From Bill Powers (2006.08.12.1505 MDT)]
Which leaves terrorism to be defined. Some people who purport to be violently against terrorisn might have a problem finding a >definition that doesn’t include them.
Good point, and I would venture to say that the same would hold for the words “liberal”, “conservative”, and “neocon”.
But why stop there? When we speak of “liberals” are we talking about the liberalism of the 17th-18th century or our more modern version?
So, I’d very much like to hear your definition of a terrorist. A more complicated question though is, is terrorism ever justified?
Of course this brings something into the mix that PCT does not speak to and that is the notion of “values”. Can we speak of values “scientifically”? If so, I’d like to hear how you propose to do so, and if you can’t, does that mean its not worth discussing?
Regards,
Marc
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