[From Bill Powers (2003.12.09.1951 MST)]
I downloaded the two main smalltalk files for Windows -- "only" about 40
megs. I guess the 400+ meg CD image includes all the platforms. Cancel the
request for a CD, in case anyone started to do it, with thanks.
Had to acquire Winzip, but the evaluation version decoded the tar.gz files
OK, and I was able to find the installation instructions which consist of
enabling a reader for .im files, and then opening the suggested image file,
"visualnc.im". That seems to open the non-commercial version of VisualWorks.
You have to go into Winzip options-configuration-miscellaneous and uncheck
the "Tar file smart CRLF" box before extracting anything.
I've read some of the introductory materials, and tried some examples.
Everything works like, and by, magic so far. This is going to be very weird
before I start getting any feeling of understanding what I am doing. I will
probably get very testy -- I always do when learning a new programming
language. Pay no attention.
Best,
Bill P.
Melding
[From Bjorn Simonsen (2003.12.10.,12:15 EuST)]
From Bill Powers (2003.12.09.1951 MST)
I’ve read some of the introductory materials, and tried some examples. Everything works like, and by,
magic so far. This is going to be very weird before I start getting any feeling of understanding what
I am doing. I will probably get very testy – I always do when learning a new programming language.
Pay no attention.
If you take a look at http://www.cincom.com/SmalltalkTutorial/tutorial/home.htm you will find 13 lessons which helped me to learn OOP. I think it is a nice education. After going through tutorial 1 (the first lessons are just an inspection) I really got confidence to tutorial 2. http://www.cincom.com/SmalltalkTutorial/tutorial2/home2.htm.
I downloaded the files and got a good teacher. Remember there are some cross-references in some of the lessons you also ought to download.
OOP is just like HPCT 
Smalltalk, VisualWorks7.1 you find at http://www.cincom.com/scripts/smalltalk.dll/index.ssp. Go to Downloads.Select alternative 2, VisualWorks Non-Commercial …
bjorn
[From Bill Powers (2003.12.10.0742 MST)]
Bjorn Simonsen (2003.12.10.,12:15 EuST) –
If you take a look at
http://www.cincom.com/SmalltalkTutorial/tutorial/home.htm
you will find 13 lessons which helped me to learn OOP. I think it is a nice education. After going through tutorial 1 (the first lessons are just an inspection) I really got confidence to tutorial 2. http://www.cincom.com/SmalltalkTutorial/tutorial2/home2.htm.
Thanks, Bjorn, I’ll follow up on that. Is anyone else joining in on this?
Best,
Bill P.
[From Rick Marken (2003.12.10.0915)]
Bill Powers (2003.12.10.0742 MST)–
Bjorn Simonsen (2003.12.10.,12:15 EuST) –
If you take a look at http://www.cincom.com/SmalltalkTutorial/tutorial/home.htm
you will find 13 lessons…
Thanks, Bjorn, I’ll follow up on that. Is anyone else joining in on
this?
I don’t think I will. I just don’t want to invest time in learning a new
language; I think I know enough languages already. If I ever manage to
learn OOP I hope it’s java because I do want to get even better demos on
the net. Since most people out there are not programmers but do use a browser
it seems to me that the best way to go with the Test Bed project, so that
many people can have easy access to it, its to write the Test Bed in a
language, like java, that runs in a browser. My current dream is
to re-write my java demos so that can be downloaded to a cell phone and
run while you’re riding on the subway or lounging on your porch.
Best regards
Rick
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[From Jim Beardsley (2003.12.10.1230 EST -0500)]
[From Bill Powers (2003.12.10.0742 MST)]
Thanks, Bjorn, I'll follow up on that.
Is anyone else joining in on this?
I'm very eager to dive in, but I must refrain from over committing right now. I'll be following along as close as I can though (as far as what's on list or what's copied to me), so I'll be watching for other remote possibilities to jump in.
Here's another site which seems to be (overly?) fertile with Smalltalk (and Smalltalk Industry) resources. Check the Tutorials link at the left:
http://www.whysmalltalk.com/
Jim
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[From Bill Powers (2003.12.10.1033 MST)]
Rick Marken (2003.12.10.0915)--
Thanks, Bjorn, I'll follow up on that. Is anyone else joining in on this?
I don't think I will. I just don't want to invest time in learning a new
language; I think I know enough languages already.
OK. Anyone else joining in?
Best,
Bill P.
[From Bruce Gregory (2003.12.10.1600)]
[From Bill Powers (2003.12.10.1033 MST)]
OK. Anyone else joining in?
I've downloaded Smalltalk, but I doubt that I can make a substantial
contribution to this particular project.
Bruce Gregory
Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."
Andre Gide
"Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no
one was listening, everything must be said again."
Andre Gide
[From Bill Powers (2003.12.10.1557 MST)]
Bruce Gregory (2003.12.10.1600)--
I've downloaded Smalltalk, but I doubt that I can make a substantial
contribution to this particular project.
I assume that if you have successfully installed it, you'll at least be
able to run programs that others have written, and thus be able to see
what's been accomplished, comment on it, and make suggestions. So if you
have any problem with installation, ask for help and it shall be given. I
don't think we have to limit participation to programmers, although of
course non-programmers are expected to speak respectfully and remove their
hats when a programmer enters the room. Forelocks, however, need not be tugged.
I had a lot of trouble with the tutorial Bjorn pointed us to when it came
to referencing a file by name. Smalltalk couldn't find the file, and I
couldn't figure out how to change the default directory.
Finally, I discovered by chance that I could set up a shortcut to the
c:\vw7.2\bin\visual.exe program, and edit its Properties so the working
directory was c:\vw7.2, and that had the effect of changing the default
directory as required when the program was started. Then everything worked
as it was supposed to.
Best,
Bill P.
Melding
[From Bjorn Simonsen (2003.12.11.08:35 EuST)]
[From Bill Powers (2003.12.10.1557 MST)]
Finally, I discovered by chance that I could set up a shortcut to the c:\vw7.2\bin\visual.exe program, and edit
its Properties so the working directory was c:\vw7.2, and that had the effect of changing the default directory
as required when the program was started. Then everything worked as it was supposed to.
I have a file …\vW7.1nc\install.pdf. Page12
bjorn
[From Bill Powers (2003.12.11.0802 MST)]
Bjorn Simonsen (2003.12.11.08:35 EuST) --
I have a file .....\vW7.1nc\install.pdf. Page12
I do too, but it says to start VisualWorks by double clicking on
c:\v7.2\images\visualnc.im. That works, but it makes the default directory
\v7.2\images instead of \v 7.2, which is where those log files are supposed
to be stored. To change the default directory, it's necessary to set up a
shortcut and change the working directory to \v7.2. Then all is well.
Best,
Bill P.
