Bruce,
Thanks for your bravery in handling the post from Roland Ernst. I'm steering clear of that sort of post, but there's always the nagging thought that there might be something worthwhile there. Good of you to stick with it.
Bill
Bruce,
Thanks for your bravery in handling the post from Roland Ernst. I'm steering clear of that sort of post, but there's always the nagging thought that there might be something worthwhile there. Good of you to stick with it.
Ashby. Don't have much to say there. I'll just refer him to PCT sources.
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At 09:50 PM 4/9/2003, Bill Powers wrote:
Bill
[From Rick Marken (980804.2150)]
Mary Powers (980804) --
Haven't you noticed that the frequency of invoking reorganization
is inversely proportional to the invoker's familiarity with and
understanding of PCT?
Now that you mention it, I _have_ noticed this! I hereby dub this
"Mary's law"
Marc Abrams (980804.1804) to Bruce Gregory (980804.1640 EDT) --
I understand what you are saying. I am having a difficult time
_translating_ it into a model.
Me too.
Kent McClelland (980804.1600 CDT) --
I say stick with your excellent notion of "collectively controlled
perceptions". Perceptions are what people control, even if the net
result of many people controlling these perceptions relative to
different reference levels is that these perceptions stay at
virtual reference levels.
Peter Burke (8/4/98 4:35PM PDT) --
I don't see where "choice" exists at all. Our perceptions are
manifold and constantly in flux, our reference signals at all
levels are constantly in flux, our activity is constantly
managing perceptions.
Absolutely superb post, Peter.
Bill Powers (980804.1955 MDT)
The only reason we focussed so completely on the coercion was
that people were arguing loudly that no coercion was taking
place -- meaning that no physical force was actually being
applied most of the time. I found this such a ridiculous and
dangerous claim that any other subject fled from my mind. If
that claim were true, then the Inquisition could indeed claim
that its victims had confessed of their own free will, since
they went before the judges after the torture and confessed
when no force or pain was actually being applied to them.
It takes such an extreme example to get the point across.
But -- and now I can anticipate this since it actually
happened -- there would be an immediate outcry from those
who read too fast that RTP is being compared with the
Inquisition, and I'm saying the children are being tortured.
Bravo!! Brown nosissimo. You are one courageous fellow!!
Good luck.
I have mixed feelings about seeing so many _excellent_ posts
all at once; on the one hand it's nice to see people saying,
better than I could, exactly what I wanted to say; on the other,
however, it means that I don't really have to post; and you folks
wouldn't want me to stop posting, now, would you?
Best
Rick
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[From Rick Marken (980804.2150)]
Kent McClelland (980804.1600 CDT) --
I say stick with your excellent notion of "collectively controlled
perceptions". Perceptions are what people control, even if the net
result of many people controlling these perceptions relative to
different reference levels is that these perceptions stay at
virtual reference levels.
If you want to move your house back three feet from the street, so you push
and push and the house does not move, then did you control your perception of
"where the house is"? On the other hand if, like you imply above, control
somehow continues despite chronic disparities between the virtual reference
and their reference how can you say that coercion exists as it requires one
person to control the behavior of the another but not vice versa?
i.
From [Marc Abrams (2005.10.18.1938)]
I really want to thank Rick, Dag, Bill, & Bryan for being part of a little experiment I ran these past few days and it came off very well indeed.
Rick, one day you may be star. 
Bryan, don’t sweat the small stuff, keep happy.
Regards,
Marc
[From Fred Nickols (2006.11.10.0754)] --
Thanks to all you folks who have patiently helped me dismantle and reconnect
my mental wiring.
Regards,
Fred Nickols
"Assistance at a Distance"
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us
from Phil Runkel on 27 November 1999:
THANKS to Rick Marken, Norman T. Hovda, and Tim Carey for contributing
more answers to "What's the matter?"
From Ed Ford (931223.1845)
It's during this season of the year that I realized how
very Blessed I am. I have Hester and our growing family
(No. 13 grandchild due within the month), my faith, my
health, and the many ways of expressing my ideas through
my work. Along with this, I have lots of great
friendships from the CSG, and the chance to continually
learn (or struggle to understand and learn) through
participation on the CSGnet.
In deep appreciation to all of you who've made my life so
fulfilling, thank you. And a very special thanks to Bill
and Mary Powers, two very special people.
Ed
Ford, 10209 N. 56th st., Scottsdale, AZ Ph.602 991-4860