THE TEST and Reorganis(z)tion

&&&&&& CHUCK TUCKER 951120.11:15 &&&&&&

        I am planning to write something more extensive about THE
        TEST but I can't seem to get a lull in the conversation
        where I can "jump in" (how disturbing!) but when I write
        what I write my major point is that THE TEST has never
        been done in any designed and systematic manner between
        human beings W/O the "researcher" knowing in advance the
        CV and having a very narrow specification of the disturbances.
        Note that I am NOT saying that people don't frequently
        disturb one another or test each other for CVs but it has
        not been done in a systematic manner w/o knowing the CV and
        in most instances actually programming it. THERE IS NOTHING
        INTRINSICALLY WRONG WITH DOING THIS EXCEPT VERY FEW PEOPLE
        (even excluding "social scientists") CAN SEE SUCH DEMOS AS
        RELEVANT TO THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR OR THE BEHAVIOR THAT THEY
        EXPERIENCE WITH OTHERS; IT JUST DOESN'T COMPUTE! (Rick, it
        is much more complicated than just saying these people don't
        know PCT; they actually do and use it constantly but these
        demos don't make a connection with them) I will later use
        the conversation on CSG-L to support my assertions above.

        What actually prompted by "outburst" above was the post by
        Frans Plooij (95119.1600) wherein he actually notes some
        research that he (and others) have done which seems to
        support the PCT notions of Powers regarding reorganis(z)tion.
        Finally someone with some research! But what I especially
        wish to highlight is his statement that there is some
        research "out there" that can be INTERPRETED so as to be
        consistent with PCT. If I am not mistaken his first book
        did not employ PCT to begin with but rather used it to
        interpret the data after the fact. Yes, this can be done,
        has been done and should continue to be done. But the
        danger is doing what the radical behaviorists complained
        about and supposedly tried to correct - imputing internal
        activities that are just a restatement of the output (also
        noted as imputing motives and describing instincts). This is
        a real danger and it occasionally happens on CSG-L.

        On this tact of interpretating data in PCT terms I suggest
        two books for candidates:

            Deci, Edward L. WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO: The Dynamics of
                   Interpersonal Autonomy. NY: G. P. Putnam's Sons,
                   1995 BF 575 .A88 D45 ISBN 0-399-14047-6

            Goleman, Daniel. EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE. NY: Bantam
                   1995 ISBN 0-553-09503-X

         WARNING: None of the research mentioned in these books is
                  done using PCT or the procedures suggested for PCT
                  research BUT most of the "data" can be fairly
                  well interpreted as supporting PCT.

         Regards,
                  Chuck