The Use of Perception to Control (Another) Perception

[From Bruce Abbott (960124.1530)]

Rick Marken (960124.0830) --

Turning an incentive into the perception of an incentive doesn't eliminate
cause-effect.

True; I didn't say it did.

I think this is a common misconception about PCT. Many people
seem to think that what is significant about PCT is its emphasis on the fact
that organisms deal with a world of experience (perception) rather than with
a world of reality.

I suppose you mean to include me in that category.

But the real significance of PCT is its emphasis on the

fact that organisms _control_ their experience rather than being controlled
by it.

Well, yes, they control _some_ of their experience, certainly not _all_ of
it. If they controlled all of it there would be no need to conduct the Test
now, would there?

Perceptions (like that of the "relationship between pecking and
incentive delivery") are not "made use of"; they are _controlled_.

Really? How do I control the perception that if I don't stop at red traffic
signals I may get into an accident? (I don't think that this perception is
controlled; it's just something I perceive.)

We've already covered how a perceptual signal called a "discriminative
stimulus" can be "used" to keep a logic-level control system at a reference
level of "true" most of the time, thus allowing maximum point-gain by
keeping a target properly positioned. I might describe this system as
"making use of" the SD to help control point acquisition rate. The SD is
not controlled, but the perception of its state can be used (by me, the
control system constructor) to improve control over point-gain rate. By the
same token, the pigeon might be able to "make use of" the relationships it
perceives to improve control over the grain hopper.

Do you really mean to assert that the only perception that affects the
performance of any control system is the perceived current state of the cv?

Regards,

Bruce

[Martin Taylor 960124 17:20]

Bruce Abbott (960124.1530)

I write this deliberately without looking at a message from Rick that also
awaits my perusal. I have my suspicions as to what it may contain...

You'll get into trouble here:

Do you really mean to assert that the only perception that affects the
performance of any control system is the perceived current state of the cv?

How could it be otherwise? The control UNIT in PCT has only a scalar number
that is the current value of the perceptual signal. That number represents
the current state of the CEV. It's only an individual ECU that has a defined
CEV, although I suppose you could concatenate all the CEVs for some subset
of a larger control SYSTEM and call the clump a "CEV" for the system. All
the same, there's no substructure to the perception controlled in any ECU.

If ANOTHER control unit has a perception for which the input includes both
the CEV of the first unit and other data, then the output of that other
unit could affect the performance of the first in a variety of ways, not
least by affecting the reference signal value of the first. It could also
affect the gain of the first, or could generate output that disturbs the
perceptual signal of the first...

But WITHIN an ECU, one has to:

assert that the only perception that affects the
performance of any control system is the perceived current state of the cv?

Good luck...you'll need it.

Martin