From [Marc Abrams (980207.1045)]
I do think that they were a bit dramatic in some of their remarks,
but ... .
I was trying to be emphatic, not dramatic.
The chats I posted to the CSG-L network was my way of exploring the
with the help of comments from people on the CSG-L. I was
comfortable doing this and hoped others found them interesting.
They were extremely interesting and I thank you for the effort. It was
good stuff and would hope that you might continue.
I don't feel that I have learned to do the MOL in a skillful enough
to even evaluate its therapeutic usefulness.
David, you are an honorable and well intentioned individual. But I
think you just don't get it. Or maybe you do and simply disagree with
I might be wrong, but the MOL as outlined and explained by Bill, and
used by yourself, Tim Carey, and Mark Lazare is not simply a "new" way
to do old tricks. It really redefines _what_ therapy is all about. Is
therapy about individuals having and gaining the capability of helping
themselves or is it the "ability" of _you_ (the therapist) to _fix_
the problem. The MOL redefines the relationship and the
responsibilities between the therapist and client. This is not trivial
stuff. But I think, most importantly, the "power" and "control" shifts
to the client
Before one can give the MOL a fair test, let us all make sure that
are doing it correctly.
No disagreement. But what does "correctly" mean. I think Bill has made
it clear that the purpose of _doing_ it was to gain the necessary
skill(s) I think Bill laid down a few basic guidelines to follow:
1. Do no harm 2. Do not try to _direct_ the thought process 3. Do
not interject your opinions 4. LISTEN carefully. 5. DON'T give
advice. What else am I missing?
I wish I had Tim and Marc's confidence (chutzpah?) and am very
impressed that they have been able >to acquire the MOL skill without
supervision from Bill Powers, or Dick Robertson who
is the clinician with the most years of experience in applying PCT to
I believe the word is Chutzpah ( a Yiddish word for someone with
unmitigated gall :-)) and I am _attempting_ to gain the necessary
skills required. Most of which by the way are in the form of
_Unlearning_ some nasty consulting type "I can help you" logic.
In reading Dicks Posts I am not quite sure _how_ he "applies" PCT.
Could you elaborate or could Dick on how the MOL has changed his
practice. I could have sworn Dick said he does not use the MOL for the
same reasons you have stated. So what kind of "supervision" am I
supposed to get from Dick.about using the MOL..
>In the near future, I will start doing the MOL exercise again, and
go for a second round of chats.
Great news. Looking forward to it. Thanks David.