Hi all,
As I wrote many times before. I think IÂ owe Bill that PCT is preserved as original theory, because of his patient work with me. So I contributed in attempts of changing PCT to selfregulation (Jeff Vancouver) and Rick’s attempts to change PCT to RCT.
My oppinion about your interests in physiological background of PCT is highly positive. Welcome on board. But in actual situation I’m affected to the level that I can’t or don’t want to produce any further contribution to PCT discussions. As far as I’m second order member (like a servant or something similar).
One reason more why I want to leave forum is that I simply don’t have time. My life situation become very difficult. I feel like I can’t produce some «deep-thought« discussions, which could be on the level of some other contributors.
As far as connections between physiology and PCT is concerned I can propose some starting clarifying literature. I think that’s the book IAACT is using as the background for their work. The title is »Making sense of behavior« (1998). It contains basic and easy understanding information about physiological background of PCT. I warmly recommend it also to Powers ladies.
It’s just my oppinion.
Discussions about parts of organism (amigdala, imune system….) are probably making some sense. BBut I think that studying parts without having a »whole picture« is hard and difficult work with unknown or unpredictable outcome.
I don’t know what to say anymore. Maybe one day we’ll come into situation when our meeting will be possible as »equal« members and I’ll have more time. Then I’ll be glad to expose all my ideas about PCT.
Best,
Boris
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From: Bruce Nevin [mailto:bnhpct@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 4:30 AM
To: CSG
Subject: Re: To: Boris Hartman
Pardon the botched edit. Dinner called, abruptly. Probably it was clear that I meant to say “Bill mentioned a book about biological (non neurological) negative feedback systems” or “Bill mentioned a book about negative feedback in biological (non neurological) systems”, but not both at once.
My search has turned up these titles:
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Thomas, René & Richard D’Ari. 1990. Biological Feedback. Oxford: Taylor & Francis.
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Cosentino, Carlo & Declan Bates. 2011. Feedback Control in Systems Biology. Boca Raton: CRC Press.
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Jones, Richard. 2012. Principles of Biological Regulation: An Introduction to Feedback Systems. Amsterdam: Elsevier.
The first is old enough, but I believe none of these is the book I had in mind.
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Bruce Nevin bnhpct@gmail.com wrote:
I am interested in these topics too (enterome, nutritional immunomodulation).
Some years ago, Bill mentioned a book about negative in biological (non neurological) negative feedback systems. I don’t remember the title, and when I looked in the PCT section of my personal library I couldn’t find it. It would be in the CSGnet archive.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Frans Plooij fplooij@kiddygroup.com wrote:
Hallo Boris,
Thank you for responding. My connection with PCT has been all along through the study of development of babies. Recently, I have become interested in the influence of food and the gut biotome on the immune system. That field is completely new to me and I am still ignorant and just starting to read the literature there is on “immunomodulation by food�. When I read your texts on physiology in terms of PCT, I was very interested. That was the reason why I said “I am very curious too�. So, if you can find the time, I would be delighted if you would take up the suggestion by Philip and organize your original thoughts on that issue and present them to us.
Looking forward to your reaction,
Best wishes,
Frans
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Op 14 okt. 2015, om 04:36 heeft Boris Hartman boris.hartman@masicom.net het volgende geschreven:
Hi Plooij,
sorry for a little delay in answering you.
Are you interested in some specific questions or you are interested in my
interpretation of PCT ?Best,
Boris
-----Original Message-----
From: Frans Plooij [mailto:fplooij@kiddygroup.com]
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 11:22 AM
To: csgnet@lists.illinois.edu
Subject: Re: To: Boris HartmanI am very curious too.
Dr. Frans X. Plooij
Director
International Research-institute on Infant Studies (IRIS) Zijpendaalseweg 73
6814 CE Arnhem
The Netherlands
Mobile: +31 6 460 888 20
Email: fplooij@kiddygroup.com
Tel.: +31 26 389 4841
Fax: +31 26 389 4493Op 9 okt. 2015, om 05:46 heeft PHILIP JERAIR YERANOSIAN > pyeranos@ucla.edu het volgende geschreven:
There has been considerable friction between several members andBoris Hartman recently, owing to Boris’s sensitivity to impeccable citing
and quoting of written text and dialogues. Naturally, Boris is tired of
beleaguering these contentious points of debate. I suggest that the way to
proceed is just as I have tried to do in my discussion of genetics and
computer science over the course of the past several weeks. I request
that Boris unilaterally inject an outline or discussion of the physiological
phenomena which are of considerable interest to him, in the context of PCT.
I am aware that there is a wealth of phenomena which need to be formally
integrated into the PCT framework.Boris has frequently mentioned that he harbors sufficient knowledgeof the subject to help explain PCT in physiological terms. I am very
curious to see what he is talking about. I wonder if he can take the time
to organize his original thoughts and present them on CSG. It would help me
and anybody else seeking to strengthen the PCT foundation considerably to
have a breadth of relevant topics to build upon.