Tracking experiment

[From Adam Matic 28.4.2011,11:30 GMT+1]

Hi,

I’m back on working on the program for the tracking experiment. My professor emailed me some suggestions for small changes.
He agrees with the overall plan: (1) a random path run, (2) fit parameters, (3) random path run with same difficulty settings

and (4) measure RMS error for parameters from (2), (5) different difficulty setting, random path and measure RMS error for

parameters from (2).

He suggested I add a circular path and a diagonal path to test the model on.

What would be better:

a)

One circular path, 1 minute run, 3600 data points

One diagonal path, 1 minute run, 3600 data points

b)

One circular path, 30 seconds, 1800 data points

One diagonal path, 30 seconds, 1800 data points

It looks the same to me, I guess the subjects would like the b) option more. Does it make any difference?

Also, I would appreciate if someone could point me to where I could find information on the neural basis for

the tracking task - where are or where might be the neurons that compare positions of the target and the cursor.

Thank you,

Best, Adam

[From Rick Marken (2011.04.29.0830)]

Adam Matic (28.4.2011,11:30 GMT+1)--

Hi,
I'm back on working on the program for the tracking experiment. My professor
emailed me some suggestions for small changes.
He agrees with the overall plan: (1) a random path run, (2) fit parameters,
(3) random path run with same difficulty settings
and (4) measure RMS error�for parameters from (2), (5) different difficulty
setting, random path and measure RMS error for
parameters from (2).
He suggested I add a circular path and a diagonal path to test the model
on.
What would be better:
a)
One circular path, 1 minute run, 3600 data points
One diagonal path, 1 minute run, 3600 data points
b)
One circular path, 30 seconds, 1800 data points
One diagonal path, 30 seconds, 1800 data points
It looks the same to me, I guess the subjects would like the b) option more.
Does it make any difference?

I don't know what you are trying to test so I don't know how to answer
this question.

Best

RIck

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Also, I would appreciate if someone could point me to where I could find
information on the neural basis for
the tracking task - where are or where might be the neurons that compare
positions of the target and the cursor.

Thank you,
Best, Adam

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

[From Adam Matić 2011.04.29 17:40 GMT+1]

RM:

I don’t know what you are trying to test so I don’t know how to answer

this question.

I’m doing a tracking experiment similar to your “Degrees of freedom in behavior” . It has

two control loops, one for the X dimension, one for Y. I use the model from TrackAnalyse

from LCS III with 60 data points per second and a delay interval in the input function.

The subject controls a circle and follows a random-moving target circle on the screen in

the first situation. Then I fit the parameters of two control loops individually for the X and

Y dimensions, and compare the model produced data (with those parameters) in two new

situations - one with the same difficulty, one with greater difficulty, both random paths - with

subject produced data on the same paths.

The professor suggested adding a circular path and a diagonal path.

Best

Adam

[From Rick Marken (2011.04.29.0930)]

Adam Matić (2011.04.29 17:40 GMT+1)--

I'm doing a tracking experiment similar to your "Degrees of freedom in
behavior" . It has
two control loops, one for the X dimension, one for Y. I use the model from
TrackAnalyse
from LCS III with 60 data points per second and a delay interval in the
input function.
The subject controls a circle and follows a random-moving target circle on
the screen in
the first situation.

It sounds like you are doing a two dimensional pursuit tracking task
with the subject tracking a target that moves randomly in two
dimensions.

Then I fit the parameters of two control loops individually for the X and
Y dimensions, and compare the model produced data (with those parameters) in
two new situations - one with the same difficulty, one with greater difficulty, both
random paths - with subject produced data on the same paths.

Ok. Sounds pretty straightforward.

The professor suggested adding a circular path and a diagonal path.

Why? What hypotheses would be tested by adding these conditions? I
think there are hypotheses that could be tested by adding these
conditions. But I wouldn't add these conditions unless you know what
to test other hypotheses and (of course) you know what these
hypotheses are.

Best

Rick

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--
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

My general goal is to show (test) the plausibility of the PCT model for the

pursuit tracking task by comparing it to subject pursuits. No one heard of

PCT on my psychology department, so I’m just going with a most general

hypothesis I could think of and redoing a classic PCT experiment.

I thought it would be OK to add the suggested paths just to add to the

variety of situations. Can’t hurt.

I could, of course, add another hypothesis to test. What do you have in mind?

I’ll also write about the neural basis of the model.

Best,

Adam

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Richard Marken rsmarken@gmail.com wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2011.04.29.0930)]

Why? What hypotheses would be tested by adding these conditions? I

think there are hypotheses that could be tested by adding these

conditions. But I wouldn’t add these conditions unless you know what

to test other hypotheses and (of course) you know what these

hypotheses are.

(Gavin Ritz 2011.04.30.15.33NZT)

[From
Rick Marken (2011.04.29.0930)]

Adam

When you
have created your proposition and test please keep me in the loop.

I’m
putting together a paper that will synthesize 5 of the most robust theories of science
and mind for a journal.

Regards

Gavin

Why? What hypotheses would be tested by adding these conditions? I

think there are hypotheses that could be tested by adding these

conditions. But I wouldn’t add these conditions unless you know what

to test other hypotheses and (of course) you know what these

hypotheses are.

My general goal is to
show (test) the plausibility of the PCT model for the

pursuit tracking task by
comparing it to subject pursuits. No one heard of

PCT on my psychology
department, so I’m just going with a most general

hypothesis I could
think of and redoing a classic PCT experiment.

I thought it would be OK
to add the suggested paths just to add to the

variety of
situations. Can’t hurt.

I could, of course, add
another hypothesis to test. What do you have in mind?

I’ll also write about the
neural basis of the model.

Best,

Adam

[From Rick Marken (2011.04.30.0745)]

My general goal is to show (test) the plausibility of the PCT model for the
pursuit tracking task by comparing it to subject pursuits.

OK. It's just that this has been done so often it doesn't seem like
it merits a special research project. This sounds more like a lab
experiment that would be done in an undergraduate course on PCT (if
one ever existed). But if this is all you are going to do then just do
it. The main goal seems to be to see how well the model fits the
data. And you are varying difficulty to see if the parameters that
predict at one difficulty level work of another. I think that's all
you need to do right there.

Best

Rick

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Adam Matić <adam.matic@gmail.com> wrote:

No one heard of
PCT on my psychology department, so I'm just going with a most general
hypothesis I could think of and redoing a classic PCT experiment.
I thought it would be OK to add the suggested paths just to add to the
variety of situations. Can't hurt.
I could, of course, add another hypothesis to test. What do you have in
mind?
I'll also write about the neural basis of the model.
Best,
Adam

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

How about the neural basis, any pointers for that?

Adam

OK, will do.

Best

Adam

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Gavin Ritz garritz@xtra.co.nz wrote:

When you
have created your proposition and test please keep me in the loop.

I’m
putting together a paper that will synthesize 5 of the most robust theories of science
and mind for a journal.

Regards

Gavin

[From Dick Robertson,2011,04.30.1020CDT)]

If I might add a small point to this discussion. First, Adam, congratulations on demonstrating your understanding of PCT and production of your demonstration.

When you say no one has heard of PCT in your department I am saddened, but not surprised, after some fifty years. I would not have heard of it from my department either back in 1954 when the three guys came to the U of C, in person to tell what they had done, nor would I, if I were in school now.

I think I know a lot about why that has been, and have written about it on CSGnet, but I guess nobody saw it. In bried: contemporary psychology is content with where they are. They are getting government and foundation grants to study all kinds of sexy stuff, the solidity of which would never get them an approval from a panel of “hard scientists” like physicists, but never mind, the same concept of what science is does not apply in psychology.

American science in general has been more focused on developing applications of basic theory than on basics themselves, leaving that to the Europeans. B. F. Skinner is the classic example. His philosophy of theory was that he wasn’t interested in theory. “Only the facts, Ma’m.” He never grasped that his “facts” incorporated a theoretical position that determined what for him a fact was.

So, what I’m really wanting to suggest to you is that you explain to your fellow students, those who will hear you with an open mind, if any, is that your demonstration is an exposition of how behavior–of all sorts–works in general. It is not simply the mechanics of how to follow a moving target around. Then when (if) they ask how could that be, you at least might have their attention. Rick can help you out with all the ways that claim can be made concrete.

Best,

Dick R.

[From Adam Matic 2011.30.4 21.40 GMT+1]

[From Dick Robertson,2011,04.30.1020CDT)]

If I might add a small point to this discussion. First, Adam, congratulations on demonstrating your understanding of PCT and production of your demonstration.

Thank you.

DR: So, what I’m really wanting to suggest to you is that you explain to your fellow students, those who will hear you with an open mind, if any, is that your demonstration is an exposition of how behavior–of all sorts–works in general. It is not simply the mechanics of how to follow a moving target around. Then when (if) they ask how could that be, you at least might have their attention. Rick can help you out with all the ways that claim can be made concrete.

AM: My current plan is to present this model as a neural network, which it is in a broad sense. The problem with other

neural networks is that they don’t have a firm connection with real neurons and how the brain operates, and the PCT model

does have that. I hope to get people interested in PCT that way and I’m preparing for the possible questions about the

implications of the model by reading literature and writing things down. Having read how other PCT presentations were received

by psychologists, I can’t say I expect everyone to be ecstatic about it. :slight_smile:

After this model, there’s Plooijs’ research on brain development. I think I could analyse statistical data about child mortality

from Croatian records like F.Plooij did and present it along with his other research. That might also attract some attention from

a different branch of psychologists.

There is, of course, the MOL. Psychotherapists seem to be interested in all kinds of techniques and methods. I’m just beginning

to learn about it, I’ll see where that goes.

In my spare time, I plan to work on making more models - economy, input functions, learning… There’s a lot

of unmapped area to explore.

Best

Adam

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Robertson Richard R-Robertson@neiu.edu wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2011.05.01.1130)]

How about the neural basis, any pointers for that?

I presume this was asked of me? Anyway, I'm sure I understand what
this would mean. We know that the nervous system computes perceptual
functions of sensory input so I consider the single unit "receptive
field" studies of Hubel and Wiesel, for example, to support the
neural basis of perceptual functions. The nervous system is known to
have afferent neurons that carry neural impulses into and efferent
neurons that carry neural impulses away from the central nervous
system, so this is evidence of a neural basis for neurons that carry
perceptual and error signals, respectively. We also know that effect
neurons ultimately cause variations in muscle spindle length so the
work of Huxley on neuro-muscular relationships is evidence for the
neural basis of the output function in a control loop. Of course,
there is also evidence for inhibitory and excitatory synaptic
connections at cell bodies that could implement a subtractive
comparison function.

Actually, PCT was developed to be consistent with what is known about
how the nervous system functions. PCT is a model of the functional
characteristics the nervous system. There should be no functions in
PCT that the nervous system is not known to be capable of carrying
out. If there are functions in PCT that do not have a known neural
basis then either the neurology hasn't caught up to PCT or PCT has to
reconsider that function. But in the case of your simple tracking
task, I don't think there is any question that there are neural
capabilities that can implement the functions in the model.

As for your replication of my two dimensional tracking experiment from
Psych Science (1991), you are not really replicating it (which is
fine) because those experiments used compensatory rather than pursuit
tracking. I also think that it would be nice if you could replicate
the part of that article where I describe a little "test for the
controlled variable". If you read that section of the paper you will
see that I compared a model that controlled a perception in Cartesian
coordinates to one that controlled a perception in Polar coordinates.
The distinction between the models shows up when you disturbance only
one Cartesian dimension of tracking. This disturbance produces
compensatory mouse movements only in that dimension for the Cartesian
model but it produces mouse movements in both dimensions for the Polar
model. The subjects behaved like the Cartesian model, suggesting that
that Cartesian model is correct; people control a perception of the
cursor/target in Cartesian coordinates.

I think this would be a cool variation of your two-dimensional pursuit
tracking experiment since it would not only allow a test of the
accuracy of the PCT model but it would also show your colleagues that
the success of the model depends on having it control the correct
perception, not just produce the correct behavior. Both the Cartesian
and Polar models produces the correct behavior; but you can see that
the Polar model is not controlling the same perception as the subjects
when you introduce the proper disturbances, in this case a
disturbance to only one Cartesian dimension of tracking.

Best

Rick

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Adam Matić <adam.matic@gmail.com> wrote:
--
Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

[From Rick Marken (2011.05.01.1130)]

How about the neural basis, any pointers for that?

I presume this was asked of me? Anyway, I’m sure I understand what

this would mean. We know that the nervous system computes perceptual

functions of sensory input so I consider the single unit "receptive

field" studies of Hubel and Wiesel, for example, to support the

neural basis of perceptual functions. The nervous system is known to

have afferent neurons that carry neural impulses into and efferent

neurons that carry neural impulses away from the central nervous

system, so this is evidence of a neural basis for neurons that carry

perceptual and error signals, respectively. We also know that effect

neurons ultimately cause variations in muscle spindle length so the

work of Huxley on neuro-muscular relationships is evidence for the

neural basis of the output function in a control loop. Of course,

there is also evidence for inhibitory and excitatory synaptic

connections at cell bodies that could implement a subtractive

comparison function.

Thanks, I’ll look into those. I also need to look for specific neurons and

“areas” involved in a tracking task.

RM: Actually, PCT was developed to be consistent with what is known about

how the nervous system functions. PCT is a model of the functional

characteristics the nervous system. There should be no functions in

PCT that the nervous system is not known to be capable of carrying

out. If there are functions in PCT that do not have a known neural

basis then either the neurology hasn’t caught up to PCT or PCT has to

reconsider that function. But in the case of your simple tracking

task, I don’t think there is any question that there are neural

capabilities that can implement the functions in the model.

AM: Yes, I’m aware of that. The problem is that there aren’t a lot of studies

of the nervous system that take the neural hierarchy into account. Not a lot

that I’ve found, anyway.

As for your replication of my two dimensional tracking experiment from

Psych Science (1991), you are not really replicating it (which is

fine) because those experiments used compensatory rather than pursuit

tracking.

Yes, I’ve read your study, you mentioned it in the first thread I opened on

CSGnet, it was about this experiment. What I meant was - I’m replicating a

classic tracking experiment, just in two dimensions. I turned out to be

somewhat similar to what you did.

I also think that it would be nice if you could replicate

the part of that article where I describe a little "test for the

controlled variable". If you read that section of the paper you will

see that I compared a model that controlled a perception in Cartesian

coordinates to one that controlled a perception in Polar coordinates.

The distinction between the models shows up when you disturbance only

one Cartesian dimension of tracking. This disturbance produces

compensatory mouse movements only in that dimension for the Cartesian

model but it produces mouse movements in both dimensions for the Polar

model. The subjects behaved like the Cartesian model, suggesting that

that Cartesian model is correct; people control a perception of the

cursor/target in Cartesian coordinates.

I think this would be a cool variation of your two-dimensional pursuit

tracking experiment since it would not only allow a test of the

accuracy of the PCT model but it would also show your colleagues that

the success of the model depends on having it control the correct

perception, not just produce the correct behavior. Both the Cartesian

and Polar models produces the correct behavior; but you can see that

the Polar model is not controlling the same perception as the subjects

when you introduce the proper disturbances, in this case a

disturbance to only one Cartesian dimension of tracking.

AM:

That would be interesting to show. I could make two models for a “live run”,

one that uses polar coordinates, and the other that uses Cartesian, and

show how they behave in different situations.

Thanks again for the pointers for the nervous system studies.

Best

Adam

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On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Richard Marken rsmarken@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Adam Matić adam.matic@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, all --

Still pursuing the "adaptation illusion" trail. So far we have discovered
that pursuit tracking and compensatory tracking both show the effect, but
compensatory tracking shows it only if the disturbance is added to the
output of "the plant". If it is added to the input of the plant, there is
no adaptation or illusion of adaptation.

I should add that these are my conclusions, and there is as yet no firm
consensus on them. The problem is that we have yet to find an authoritative
statement of the experimental conditions -- exactly what sort of control
handle was used, and how the link between manual output and effect on the
cursor was established. I am told that this sort of experiment has been
done thousands of times, but I'm beginning to wonder whether any two people
ever did it the same way.

As a way of perhaps establishing what the experimental conditions were NOT,
I attach a zipped file called trak4.zip. As usual it contains executable
code plus the source code. There is no writeup yet, beyond what follows.

This is a pursuit tracking task: you use the y-direction of mouse movement
to keep the cursor bar between two moving target bars. When you start the
program, you will be able to set the following parameters by obvious means.

1. Bandwidth. Default is 1.57 radians per second, meaning that the random
movements are made up of frequencies between 0 Hz and 0.25 Hz. This is a
fairly easy disturbance -- for standard data, use this value.

2. Disturbance number. You can pick a recorded disturbance numbered from 1
to 20. This allows you to repeat the same disturbance pattern for
different subjects if you want to, while still using different patterns on
successive runs to prevent memorization.

3. Data file name. You will need a directory (folder) on the C drive called
Ventrack. All data files are stored in this directory. The data from your
experimental run will be stored in ASCII form suitable for Vensim and other
programs to use as input. You can examine the files with a text editor. Do
NOT add any dot-extension to the file name: the program automatically adds
".dat" to the name. The default name is "JUNK". To change it, click in the
text box and use normal editing keystrokes.

4. Order of the feedback function ("the plant") to be used. This is the
connection between the mouse position (y axis only) and the cursor position
on the screen. The meanings are as follows:

   Order The Plant: Cursor position proportional to

     0 mouse position.
     1 time integral of mouse position
     2 double time integral of mouse position.

This is pursuit tracking so there is no disturbance of the cursor.

5. Duration of the run. Leave it set to one minute unless you really love
tracking.

When you click on the Start button, the screen clears and the run begins.
You have three seconds to get control before data recording starts. When
the run ends, the program exits, and you will find the data file in the
directory "Ventrack".

Now here is the point.

The data we're dealing with involves the three feedback conditions
described above. It shows the response curves for frequencies in the range
from a little less than one radian per second to a little less than 10
radians per second. So a maximum frequency of 1.57 radians per second
implies pretty easy tracking, right?

Well, all I can say is try it, and tell me how easy it is under each
condition. Order zero, I will admit, is pretty easy. But I find Order 1
very difficult, and order 2 just about impossible, even with a fair amount
of practice. If anybody is a hot-shot tracker, or knows one, I would very
much appreciate getting a copy of the data file, which being in ASCII can
be transmitted easily.

If others find order 2 as hard as I do with a bandwidth of only 1.57
radians per second, I think we can take this as evidence that the
conditions experienced with this program are very far from those in which
tracking data can be obtained for frequency components up to 12 radians per
second. I have been finding that my models maintain quite good control up
to 10 radians per second for order 0 and order 1 plants. But I've had great
trouble getting them to control at all with an order 2 plant with the same
parameter settings used for orders 0 and 1. That is, I have this problem
when the plant is set up as above.

On the other hand, when I set up the plant as a mass on a spring with
damping, my model works very well indeed for all parameter combinations
from an _almost_ pure mass to _almost_ pure damping to an _almost_ pure
spring. Apparently it's that "almost" that makes the big difference. I can
imagine setting up a tracking experiment that would work this way. Instead
of computing an effect of an unresisting mouse or joystick on the cursor, I
would doctor the mouse or joystick itself, so I could make it resist
movement as in viscious damping, or attach a spring making its deflection
proportional to applied force, or attach a large mass to it that would
create inertial resistance to movements. I haven't done this yet, but in
imagination it seems to me that I could track very well indeed under those
conditions. Almost as well as the performance I'm looking at in certain
books and papers.

I would approeciate any reports that recipients of this post care to make
on their experiences with these modes of pursuit tracking.

Best,

Bill P.

trak4.ZIP (220 KB)

Rick Marken (20o3.08.25.0820)]

Bill Powers (2003.08.25.0751 MDT)--

I now believe that
it will be possible to generalize to the illusion of adaptation once we get
the right experimental conditions, which seem at the moment to depend
primarily on using a control element that is centered by a spring, so the
operator must exert a detectable force proportional to displacement to move
the control element or handle.

I think this is definitely the way to go. Don't they sell force sticks at Toys R
Us or something? I seem to remember having a game joystick that could be changed
from displacement to spring loaded at the flick of a switch. I think it would be
nice to collect our own data on this because then we wouldn't have to worry about
how things were actually done in an experiment conducted over 50 years ago. This
could be a really nice paper -- the adaptation illusion with theory _and_ data.

The response illusion and the adaptive illusion...

A section like this, comparing the response and adaptation illusions, should be
included in the paper.

According to this idea, simply by using a spring-centered control
handle I should suddenly find the two hard tasks to be much easier. As I
thought of this only an hour ago, out of a deep sleep, I haven't even been
able to put this feature into the simulation yet (the simulation without
acceleration feedback also has trouble with the third case). Setting up a
physical control handle with a centering spring will take even longer. Of
course anyone else who wants to try this is welcome to get there first.

So the output, o, of the handle (plant) determines cursor, c, position (c = ko),
velocity (dc/dt=ko) or acceleration (d2c/d2t = ko). Is that right? If the plant
(stick) that converts muscle force (u) onto output (o) is a positional device,
like a mouse, then we see no adaptive illusion because there is little or no
control in the velocity and acceleration cases. If, however, the plant is a force
device, then we should see the adaptive illusion. Is that right?

I think you're likely to come in first, here. Don't rush;-)

Best regards

Rick

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[From Bill Powers (2003.08.25.0751 MDT)]

The tracking experiment project

There has been considerably difficulty in attempts to replicate some results of tracking experiments described in 1967 by McReuer and Jex. This is important for testing the concept of an "illusion of adaptation," which is a generalized version of the "behavioral illusion" well-known in PCT. I believe, incidentally, that "response" is a more appropriate term than "behavioral, "and will refer to it that way from now on. I now believe that it will be possible to generalize to the illusion of adaptation once we get the right experimental conditions, which seem at the moment to depend primarily on using a control element that is centered by a spring, so the operator must exert a detectable force proportional to displacement to move the control element or handle. Before seeing how that is explained, let us review the situation to date.

The response illusion and the adaptive illusion.

The response illusion occurs when a control system is successfully stabilizing some variable in the environment against disturbances by means of an action. When an observer is unaware that a controlled variable exists, the only obvious relationship is between disturbances (here meaning variables tending to cause changes in the controlled variable) and the action that opposes their effects. The appearance is that the action is a direct response to disturbing variables, as if a simple cause-effect link existed instead of the feedback loop. Since any disturbing variable that can affect a one-dimensional controlled variable will result in the same kind of action (the kind that acts on the controlled variable to keep it from changing significantly), the appearance is that many different disturbing variables are equivalent in their ability to "stimulate the system" to produce the same action. This phenomenon has been called by various names, for example "equifinality." Naming it does not, of course, explain it. The apparent causal relationship is, when control is actually involved, an illusion.

It has been found that a similar illusion exists in the time domain or frequency domain of description. When a person tracks a moving target using a control handle, changing the dynamic properties of the connection between the control handle and the cursor that is supposed to be kept aligned with the target produces an apparent change in the internal dynamic characteristics of the controlling person. McReuer and Jex (1967) observed that the final result was always that the overall relationship getween target and handle movement could be represented by a "crossover model" that behaved in the frequency domain like an amplification factor, a 90-degree phase shift, and a small time-delay. This is equivalent to the control system we have long used for modeling tracking in PCT, consisting (in the time domain) of an input delay, a comparator, and an output function containing an integrator. Since part of the observed relationship was determined by the nature of the element being controlled, "the plant" in engineering terminology, and the characteristics of the plant were changing, it seemed logically that the characteristics of the controlling person must be changing in the opposite way so as to preserve the same overall behavior described by the crossover model.

I discovered that a model involving a hierarchical arrangement of velocity and position control could reproduce this crossover phenomenon without any changes in the parameters of the controlling system. The initial inference was that there must have been something wrong with McReuer's measurements that showed the controlling person's characteristics changing. However, when the same measurements were made of the simulated control system, plotting the ratio of output action to input error, exactly the same changes in controller characteristics were measured, even though it was quite certain that nothing about the simulated controller had changed. Clearly there was no measurement error: this was a true illusion.

The apparent changes in the controller's characteristics were explained by the fact that both velocity and position feedback were used in the controller, so when the characteristics of the plant were altered, they affected both the position and the velocity information entering the control system, thus altering its actions even though its actual parameters remained constant. This model is entirely equivalent to a traditional model with proportional and velocity feedback, but evidently no one had ever thought to measure the apparent input-output characteristics of such a model with plants having varying characteristics. It was simply assumed that if the model retained constant characteristics, its measured input-output function would remain the same. But it does not. McReuer's measurements were correct, but his explanation of them was wrong. Or so, at this time, I strongly suspect.

Replicating the phenomenon

While the adaptive illusion has been demonstrated for the case of pursuit tracking (in which the target moves), and John Flach has worked out a brilliant analytical proof for this case, questions have been raised about the compensatory tracking case in which the target remains stationary and the cursor is disturbed by various means. Since disturbances can be applied in different places with different results, I thought it important to find out exactly what the experimental conditions were, with the hope of replicating the basic phenomenon and measuring it for myself. So far, the trail has been hard to follow, since the basic information is in Air Force technical reports which are hard to obtain. Efforts in that direction continue, of course.

In the meantime, I have been trying to replicate the effect using a simple computer experiment with a mouse as the manipulated element. I find pursuit tracking with the normal (direct or proportional) connection between mouse and cursor quite easy, since it is simply the kind of tracking we have been studying in PCT for 25 years or so. When the external connection is changed so the mouse position determines the cursor _speed_ instead of its position, the task becomes considerably harder. It becomes so much harder, in fact, that it seems that I have to do a lot of learning -- adapting -- to get better at it. And when the third standard condition is introduced, in which mouse position determines the _acceleration_ of the cursor, I find that I can't control at all, and have improved very little with practice. Rick Marken has successfully replicated my failure, if that can be termed a success. So not only is the "adaptive illusion" not illusory for me, it seems much too hard for me in the third of the standard conditions used by McReuer and Jex.

Naturally, I have been wondering whether McReuer and I are talking about the same experimental situation. His subjects apparently maintained control, in the third condition, to some degree with disturbances varying as fast as 2.5 cycles per second. Neither I nor Rick Marken can achieve anything resembling control in that case even with the maximum frequency of the disturbance restricted to 0.25 cycles per second. Something is amiss.

In reflecting on why both the velocity and acceleration conditions are so difficult, I have realized that there is an important feedback missing from the way I am doing the experiment. I can't tell where the mouse is without taking my eyes off the screen to look at it -- and then I can't track. Kinesthetic sensing is just not accurate enough to tell me when the mouse crosses the zero point (and anyway, with time that position shifts as the mouse gains or loses counts). This means that I can't tell how hard I am "pushing" on the cursor or , near zero, in which direction. Watching the cursor provides velocity feedback (the eye is pretty good at that), but visual perception of acceleration is very poor. That's not a problem for a simulation, because the computer always knows where zero is. For a human controller, something more is needed.

What is needed is feedback that indicates acceleration or applied force. While this can't easily be provided in a literal sense, there is a way to provide the same effect: use a spring to center the control handle. With the spring, the controlling person can feel and control how hard and which way he is pushing (by sensing effort as well as skin pressure), and applied force is proportional to acceleration via Newton's formula, F = MA solved for F. According to this idea, simply by using a spring-centered control handle I should suddenly find the two hard tasks to be much easier. As I thought of this only an hour ago, out of a deep sleep, I haven't even been able to put this feature into the simulation yet (the simulation without acceleration feedback also has trouble with the third case). Setting up a physical control handle with a centering spring will take even longer. Of course anyone else who wants to try this is welcome to get there first.

This is where the tracking experiments stand now.

Best,

Bill P.

Very nice work here! And the paper is another opportunity to reaffirm what supposedly has been obvious but obviously has been neglected, the importance of (a) replication and (b) making data and details of method available so that replication is possible.

         /B

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At 08:19 AM 8/25/2003, Richard Marken wrote:

Rick Marken (20o3.08.25.0820)]

> Bill Powers (2003.08.25.0751 MDT)--

> I now believe that
> it will be possible to generalize to the illusion of adaptation once we get
> the right experimental conditions, which seem at the moment to depend
> primarily on using a control element that is centered by a spring, so the
> operator must exert a detectable force proportional to displacement to move
> the control element or handle.

I think this is definitely the way to go. Don't they sell force sticks at Toys R
Us or something? I seem to remember having a game joystick that could be changed
from displacement to spring loaded at the flick of a switch. I think it would be
nice to collect our own data on this because then we wouldn't have to worry about
how things were actually done in an experiment conducted over 50 years ago. This
could be a really nice paper -- the adaptation illusion with theory _and_ data.

> The response illusion and the adaptive illusion...

A section like this, comparing the response and adaptation illusions, should be
included in the paper.

> According to this idea, simply by using a spring-centered control
> handle I should suddenly find the two hard tasks to be much easier. As I
> thought of this only an hour ago, out of a deep sleep, I haven't even been
> able to put this feature into the simulation yet (the simulation without
> acceleration feedback also has trouble with the third case). Setting up a
> physical control handle with a centering spring will take even longer. Of
> course anyone else who wants to try this is welcome to get there first.

So the output, o, of the handle (plant) determines cursor, c, position (c = ko),
velocity (dc/dt=ko) or acceleration (d2c/d2t = ko). Is that right? If the plant
(stick) that converts muscle force (u) onto output (o) is a positional device,
like a mouse, then we see no adaptive illusion because there is little or no
control in the velocity and acceleration cases. If, however, the plant is a force
device, then we should see the adaptive illusion. Is that right?

I think you're likely to come in first, here. Don't rush;-)

Best regards

Rick
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