Videos; Thurman, Marcos

[From Richard Thurman (940823.0720)]

Dag Forssell (940818 1630)

Rich Thurman: Following up on your loose talk at the conference -- Are you in
fact able to convert conference video tapes between PAL -- the system used in
Britain and most of Europe but not France (Viva la difference) -- and NTSC --
used in the Americas and part of Asia. Specifically, how about converting a
set of US conference tapes 1993? 1994? for Marcos? I am willing to loan you
my master tapes in order to get the least possible amount of distortion on a
European master set. How about converting a set of Marcos 1994 conference
tapes for me for distribution to US CSG and Greg Williams, the CSG archive?

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I am about four days behind all
of you and just got to your post yesterday. (How do you all keep up with
the mail? I am constantly about a week behind everyone's posts.)

When I saw your message I immediately called up our media contractor
and told them I need about 30 hours of NTSC video converted into PAL.
They said they did not have the equipment in house -- they usually have
it done by a subcontractor -- for a hefty price. I asked them to get me
estimates on the best price for either buying the equipment (to do it
themselves) or having someone else do the conversion.

They best price they could come up with was about $3000.00 for the
hardware or about $400.00 for a company in Phoenix to do 30 hours of
video. (About 13 dollars per hour of tape.)

Is $13.00 per hour a good price on converting NTSC video to PAL?

I was not successful when I asked about springing for the money for us
to do the conversion. I couldn't come up with a strong enough justification
on how doing this would benefit the Laboratory or the Air Force.

Sorry! (Especially for the 'loose talk at the conference' and getting your
hopes up.)

Is there some other funding source?
Anybody out there feeling generous?
Maybe we could all pitch in and help defray the costs?

Rich

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Richard Thurman
Air Force Armstrong Lab
6001 S. Power Rd. BLDG. 558
Mesa AZ. 85206-0904

(602) 988-6561
Thurman@hrlban1.aircrew.asu.edu
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[From Dag Forssell (940824 0900)] [Richard Thurman (940823.0720)]

They best price they could come up with was about $3000.00 for the
hardware or about $400.00 for a company in Phoenix to do 30 hours
of video. (About 13 dollars per hour of tape.)

Is $13.00 per hour a good price on converting NTSC video to PAL?

This is beginning to look quite good. $13 per hour is more than
nothing, but a lot less than the $100 that I heard of a few years
ago. The price may be even less when we point out that we are
talking about 6 hours per tape and slow speed. (NTSC --> PAL).

Please let me have the company's address and phone number. If you
are quoting a special price, offered only to the Air Force, let us
know if we can work through your office and pay through you.

In your post, you did not comment directly on NTSC to PAL. That
capability needs to be verified also. I believe the equipment
requirements may be different.

Sorry! (Especially for the 'loose talk at the conference' and
getting your hopes up.)

That is alright. Getting my hopes up "stimulated" some questions
and commitments.

Is there some other funding source?
Anybody out there feeling generous?
Maybe we could all pitch in and help defray the costs?

Since we are talking about 16 hours NTSC --> PAL (Durango, 1994)
and 16? 14? hours PAL --> NTSC (Wales 1994), we are now talking
order of magnitude $400. I am sure funding will be found. Where
there is a will, there is a way. (An old PCT saying).

Bill Leach just sent me a direct post, saying he will query some
potential sources. Martin is asking a local store. I think enough
of us are interested to make this happen. Stand by for more good
news and suggestions to appear out of the woodwork in CSGnet-land.

Best, Dag

[From Richard Thurman (940824.1100)]

Dag Forssell (940824 0900)

This is beginning to look quite good. $13 per hour is more than
nothing, but a lot less than the $100 that I heard of a few years
ago. The price may be even less when we point out that we are
talking about 6 hours per tape and slow speed. (NTSC --> PAL).

I talked to our video people about the speed issue and there
is a concern that the duplication company may not accept tapes
done at slow speeds. It has to do with video quality.

Please let me have the company's address and phone number. If you
are quoting a special price, offered only to the Air Force, let us
know if we can work through your office and pay through you.

It does not look like a special price. The address is:

Vaughn Duplication
3802 E. University
Phoenix AZ 85034
602-437-5344

Ask for Maurine or Kim.

Hope this helps!

Rich

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Richard Thurman
Air Force Armstrong Lab
6001 S. Power Rd. BLDG. 558
Mesa AZ. 85206-0904

(602) 988-6561
Thurman@hrlban1.aircrew.asu.edu
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[From Marcos Rodrigues 940825.0915 BST]

Stand by for more good
news and suggestions to appear out of the woodwork in CSGnet-land.

Best, Dag

I've just heard that I can convert my master copy from PAL
to NTSC for free assuming that I provide the Audio Visual Dept
with the blank tapes. I didn't hear this directly from the horse's
mouth, so I'll enquiry about that (and how many copies they
can make for free if that is the case).

Marcos.

[Martin Taylor 940825 10:30]

This is beginning to look quite good. $13 per hour is more than
nothing, but a lot less than the $100 that I heard of a few years
ago. The price may be even less when we point out that we are
talking about 6 hours per tape and slow speed. (NTSC --> PAL).

...Bill Leach just sent me a direct post, saying he will query some
potential sources. Martin is asking a local store.

I got a price of $25 (Cdn @ $1=72c US) for a 2-hour tape, plus
$5 for each extra hour on the same tape tape. PAL->NTSC or NTSC->PAL.
If my arithmetic works, that's $45 for a 6-hour tape (~$33 US).

Martin

<[Bill Leach 940825.19:08 EST(EDT)]

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I have received some information but no offers to take up the task yet.
It seems that the PAL -> NTSC can be done using a VCR that is designed to
handle several formats and convert the output to NTSC.

Also mentioned was that there are many video stores that cater to
"foreign" clients and provide rather inexpensive conversion service. To
my knowledge, there is nothing like that around here but those interested
in trying to help with this might check their own areas.

-bill