B:CP Chapter 13 Higher Levels Summary/ First Half Summary

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.14.1030)]

Here is my Summary of Ch 13 on Higher Levels. I have included it as the last summary in the attached file into which I have pasted the summaries of all chapters we have discussed so far. Some of these summaries are quiterough and need a lot of editing; some are pretty good. But this collection of summaries seems like a nice first step towards an improved future version of this course.

I consider this the “mid point” of the course because the whole model of behavior – of skilled behavior (control) – has now been described. Starting this week we will embark on the second half of the course, which deals with topics related to how the hierarchy develops and improves (learning, memory and emotion), how it goes wrong (conflict) and how to study it (experimental methods).

So the assignment for this week is to read Ch. 14, on Learning. Relevant to this chapter is the fine work of Frans Plooij and his late wife Hetty on the development of control during the first year of life (a topic that is of particular interest to me at the moment). The work of the Plooij’s was inspired by the model described in B:CP and is described in their book “The Wonder Years”. If you don’t have it, get it! It will be a great supplement to the discussion of Ch. 14.

Best regards

Rick

FirstHalfSummaries.Preface through Ch 13.doc (187 KB)

···


Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com

www.mindreadings.com

[From Rick Marken
(2013.10.14.1030)]

…Relevant to this chapter is the fine work of Frans Plooij and his late
wife Hetty on the development of control during the first year of life (a
topic that is of particular interest to me at the moment). The work of
the Plooij’s was inspired by the model described in B:CP and is described
in their book “The Wonder Years”. If you don’t have it, get it!
It will be a great supplement to the discussion of Ch. 14.
[From Dag Forssell (2013.10.14.1125)]

Make that “The Wonder Weeks” spelling out how all levels we
talk about develop during ten crisis periods (Leaps) during the first 20
months of life. See also

www.thewonderweeks.com
.

You can preview the story by downloading the free pdf “PCT Book of
Readings” here:

http://www.livingcontrolsystems.com/readings/readings.html

Chapter 1: “Growing Up: How Your Baby Does It” is reproduced in
its entirety starting on page 96.

Best, Dag

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.14.1145)]

···

[From Dag Forssell (2013.10.14.1125)]

Make that “The Wonder Weeks” spelling out how all levels we
talk about develop during ten crisis periods (Leaps) during the first 20
months of life. See also

www.thewonderweeks.com
.

Ops. Thanks Dag. I got it conflated with the 1980s TV show that we used to watch with our kids when they were considerably past the Wonder Weeks;-)

Best

Rick

You can preview the story by downloading the free pdf “PCT Book of
Readings” here:

http://www.livingcontrolsystems.com/readings/readings.html

Chapter 1: “Growing Up: How Your Baby Does It” is reproduced in
its entirety starting on page 96.

Best, Dag


Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

[From Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00 BST)]

Chapter 14 is a very interesting chapter as it gets into how the organisation of control systems could arise during the lifetime of an organism, in addition to, and providing for more flexible behaviour than, those that may be inherited. The basic process is one of reorganisation of the parameters and structure of the neural systems, driven by the "intrinsic" error, independent of the kind of behaviour involved. The intrinsic error being the difference between the current and desired state of the organism.

Some intrinsic reference variables were discussed, but I would suggest that there is really only one intrinsic reference, and that is of energy acquisition, which keeps the organism going, and represents the intrinsic purpose of any organism. All other proposed references, such as harmony, cooperation and clearness, are derived from (are a result of) this reference. For example, if there is disharmony then energy (e.g food) acquisition will be more difficult. Similarly, if an organism is receiving all its energy requirements then cooperation with others is not necessary.

The main difference, therefore, between simple organisms (e.g plankton) and more complex organisms (e.g. humans) is that there are more complex layers (the levels) of neural processing between the input and output functions of the energy acquisition control system. The more levels there are the more flexible are the means by which that energy can be acquired. Evolutionary adaptation involves the addition of levels to a hierarchy that is no longer able to acquire energy in the face of changing environments.

The principle of reorganisation, of the system, was contrasted with the behaviourist concept of learning being the reinforcement of actions. What other (modern) theories of learning are there; concerning such things as neural plasticity and neural networks? In what way do they differ from the PCT idea of learning?

There were a few other points that stood out for me.

Pattern recognition is best viewed as extracting subjective information (perceptions) relevant to the perspective of the perceiver rather than computing objective structure of the external world.

Behaviour affects not only sensory perceptions but also internal states of the organism, which may also be perceptions that can be controlled; and challenges the view of behaviour being a response to external stimuli.

Superstitious behaviour can arise if a collection of actions includes one that is effective, resulting in the cessation of reorganisation. Therapies such as homoeopathy, reiki "healing" are modern-day equivalents of witch-doctoring, though without any actions with the efficacy of aspirin, so I wonder how they persist? Perhaps due to a very loose sense of the problem (the controlled variable) and a general lack of awareness of the effects of the actions taken.

Leading questions:
1. No.
2. Don't see how. Not familiar.
3. The latter. Well, if you were controlling for praise (hearing the word "right") then you'd start answering incorrectly.
4. It's random? I think you wouldn't really have a clue what works.
5. The latter. The latter. I would have thought so. It doesn't really matter what actions are taken to achieve the friendliness.
6. Yes, most of the time. If there were no difficulties (error) there wouldn't be anything to learn.
7. The latter requires reorganisation.8.
  * Previous systems
  * Reorganisation
  * Previous systems
  * Reorganisation
  * Memory
  * Previous systems
  * Memory
Regards,
Rupert

···

On 14/10/2013 18:30, Richard Marken wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.14.1030)]

Here is my Summary of Ch 13 on Higher Levels. I have included it as the last summary in the attached file into which I have pasted the summaries of all chapters we have discussed so far. Some of these summaries are quiterough and need a lot of editing; some are pretty good. But this collection of summaries seems like a nice first step towards an improved future version of this course.

I consider this the "mid point" of the course because the whole model of behavior -- of skilled behavior (control) -- has now been described. Starting this week we will embark on the second half of the course, which deals with topics related to how the hierarchy develops and improves (learning, memory and emotion), how it goes wrong (conflict) and how to study it (experimental methods).

So the assignment for this week is to read Ch. 14, on Learning. Relevant to this chapter is the fine work of Frans Plooij and his late wife Hetty on the development of control during the first year of life (a topic that is of particular interest to me at the moment). The work of the Plooij's was inspired by the model described in B:CP and is described in their book "The Wonder Years". If you don't have it, get it! It will be a great supplement to the discussion of Ch. 14.

Best regards

Rick

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
<mailto:rsmarken@gmail.com>> rsmarken@gmail.com
<http://www.mindreadings.com>> www.mindreadings.com

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]

···

Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00
BST)–

  Chapter 14 is a very interesting chapter as it gets into how the

organisation of control systems could arise during the lifetime of
an organism, in addition to, and providing for more flexible
behaviour than, those that may be inherited. The basic process is
one of reorganisation of the parameters and structure of the
neural systems, driven by the “intrinsic” error, independent of
the kind of behaviour involved. The intrinsic error being the
difference between the current and desired state of the organism.

RM: This is a terrific post Rupert. I’ll have more to say about it (and the Learning Chapter in B:CP) tomorrow or Monday. Right now I am off to see a Chekhov play (really! Uncle Vanya). When I get back I should be a much better person as I expect the play to have caused an improvement in my ability to read the emotions of others.

Best regards

Rick

  Some intrinsic reference variables were discussed, but I would

suggest that there is really only one intrinsic reference, and
that is of energy acquisition, which keeps the organism going, and
represents the intrinsic purpose of any organism. All other
proposed references, such as harmony, cooperation and clearness,
are derived from (are a result of) this reference. For example, if
there is disharmony then energy (e.g food) acquisition will be
more difficult. Similarly, if an organism is receiving all its
energy requirements then cooperation with others is not necessary.

  The main difference, therefore, between simple organisms (e.g

plankton) and more complex organisms (e.g. humans) is that there
are more complex layers (the levels) of neural processing between
the input and output functions of the energy acquisition control
system. The more levels there are the more flexible are the means
by which that energy can be acquired. Evolutionary adaptation
involves the addition of levels to a hierarchy that is no longer
able to acquire energy in the face of changing environments.

  The principle of reorganisation, of the system, was contrasted

with the behaviourist concept of learning being the reinforcement
of actions. What other (modern) theories of learning are there;
concerning such things as neural plasticity and neural networks?
In what way do they differ from the PCT idea of learning?

  There were a few other points that stood out for me.



  Pattern recognition is best viewed as extracting subjective

information (perceptions) relevant to the perspective of the
perceiver rather than computing objective structure of the
external world.

  Behaviour affects not only sensory perceptions but also internal

states of the organism, which may also be perceptions that can be
controlled; and challenges the view of behaviour being a response
to external stimuli.

  Superstitious behaviour can arise if a collection of actions

includes one that is effective, resulting in the cessation of
reorganisation. Therapies such as homoeopathy, reiki “healing” are
modern-day equivalents of witch-doctoring, though without any
actions with the efficacy of aspirin, so I wonder how they
persist? Perhaps due to a very loose sense of the problem (the
controlled variable) and a general lack of awareness of the
effects of the actions taken.

  Leading questions:
  1. No.
  2. Don’t see how. Not familiar.
  3.       The latter. Well, if you were controlling for praise
    

(hearing the word “right”) then you’d start answering
incorrectly.

  1.       It's random? I think you wouldn't really have a clue what
    

works.

  1.       The latter. The latter. I would have thought so. It doesn't
    

really matter what actions are taken to achieve the
friendliness.

  1.       Yes, most of the time. If there were no difficulties (error)
    

there wouldn’t be anything to learn.

  1. The latter requires reorganisation.
  • Previous systems
  • Reorganisation
  • Previous systems
  • Reorganisation
  • Memory
  • Previous systems
  • Memory
Regards,
Rupert

On 14/10/2013 18:30, Richard Marken wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.14.1030)]

            Here is my Summary of Ch 13 on Higher Levels. I have

included it as the last summary in the attached file
into which I have pasted the summaries of all chapters
we have discussed so far. Some of these summaries are
quiterough and need a lot of editing; some are pretty
good. But this collection of summaries seems like a nice
first step towards an improved future version of this
course.

            I consider this the "mid point" of the course because

the whole model of behavior – of skilled behavior
(control) – has now been described. Starting this week
we will embark on the second half of the course, which
deals with topics related to how the hierarchy develops
and improves (learning, memory and emotion), how it goes
wrong (conflict) and how to study it (experimental
methods).

        So the assignment for this week is to read Ch. 14, on

Learning. Relevant to this chapter is the fine work of Frans
Plooij and his late wife Hetty on the development of control
during the first year of life (a topic that is of particular
interest to me at the moment). The work of the Plooij’s was
inspired by the model described in B:CP and is described in
their book “The Wonder Years”. If you don’t have it, get it!
It will be a great supplement to the discussion of Ch. 14.

Best regards

Rick


Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

                  --

                  Richard S. Marken PhD

                  rsmarken@gmail.com

                  [www.mindreadings.com](http://www.mindreadings.com)

[David Goldstein (2013.10.19.22:16)]
[Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]
Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00
BST)

This is a very hard chapter to understand. I am pretty sure that I didn’t understand it the first time I read it.

Sometime after the book was published, Bill adopted the E.coli model of reorganization. See chapter 7 in his Living control Systems III: The
Fact of Control.

In chapter 8, he shows how the E.coli model can account for the learning of a specific arm movement which involves the reorganizing of 14 control systems involved.

When I was writing up an MOL Therapy case study, Bill expanded on his concept of the reorganization system. He talked about a voluntary and involuntary component of the reorganization system. See the psychotherapy case of AF on my website: www.dmghelpcenter.com.

It is an interesting exercise to talk about the different forms of learning that psychologists have talked about (classical condition, operant conditioning, observational learning, verbal learning) and describe them in terms of PCT concepts.

The concept of reorganization which Bill talks about
comes closer to the concept of developmental change than to the kinds of changes that the above forms of learning produce.

···

From: Richard Marken rsmarken@GMAIL.COM
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: B:CP Chapter 13 Higher Levels Summary/ First Half Summary

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]

  Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00

BST)–

  Chapter 14 is a very interesting chapter as it gets into how the

organisation of control systems could arise during the lifetime of
an organism, in addition to, and providing for more flexible
behaviour than, those that may be inherited. The basic process is
one of reorganisation of the parameters and structure of the
neural systems, driven by the “intrinsic” error, independent of
the kind of behaviour involved. The intrinsic error being the
difference between the current and desired state of the organism.

RM: This is a terrific post Rupert. I’ll have more to say about it (and the Learning Chapter in B:CP) tomorrow or Monday. Right now I am off to see a Chekhov play (really! Uncle Vanya). When I get back I should be a much better person as I expect the play to have caused an improvement in my ability to read the emotions of others.

Best regards

Rick

  Some intrinsic reference variables were discussed, but I would

suggest that there is really only one intrinsic reference, and
that is of energy acquisition, which keeps the organism going, and
represents the intrinsic purpose of any organism. All other
proposed references, such as harmony, cooperation and clearness,
are derived from (are a result of) this reference. For example, if
there is disharmony then energy (e.g food) acquisition will be
more difficult. Similarly, if an organism is receiving all its
energy requirements then cooperation with others is not necessary.

  The main difference, therefore, between simple organisms (e.g

plankton) and more complex organisms (e.g. humans) is that there
are more complex layers (the levels) of neural processing between
the input and output functions of the energy acquisition control
system. The more levels there are the more flexible are the means
by which that energy can be acquired. Evolutionary adaptation
involves the addition of levels to a hierarchy that is no longer
able to acquire energy in the face of changing environments.

  The principle of reorganisation, of the system, was contrasted

with the behaviourist concept of learning being the reinforcement
of actions. What other (modern) theories of learning are there;
concerning such things as neural plasticity and neural networks?
In what way do they differ from the PCT idea of learning?

  There were a few other points that stood out for me.



  Pattern recognition is best viewed as extracting subjective

information (perceptions) relevant to the perspective of the
perceiver rather than computing objective structure of the
external world.

  Behaviour affects not only sensory perceptions but also internal

states of the organism, which may also be perceptions that can be
controlled; and challenges the view of behaviour being a response
to external stimuli.

  Superstitious behaviour can arise if a collection of actions

includes one that is effective, resulting in the cessation of
reorganisation. Therapies such as homoeopathy, reiki “healing” are
modern-day equivalents of witch-doctoring, though without any
actions with the efficacy of aspirin, so I wonder how they
persist? Perhaps due to a very loose sense of the problem (the
controlled variable) and a general lack of awareness of the
effects of the actions taken.

  Leading questions:
  1. No.
  2. Don’t see how. Not familiar.
  3.       The latter. Well, if you were controlling for praise
    

(hearing the word “right”) then you’d start answering
incorrectly.

  1.       It's random? I think you wouldn't really have a clue what
    

works.

  1.       The latter. The latter. I would have thought so. It doesn't
    

really matter what actions are taken to achieve the
friendliness.

  1.       Yes, most of the time. If there were no difficulties (error)
    

there wouldn’t be anything to learn.

  1. The latter requires reorganisation.
  • Previous systems
  • Reorganisation
  • Previous systems
  • Reorganisation
  • Memory
  • Previous systems
  • Memory
Regards,
Rupert

On 14/10/2013 18:30, Richard Marken wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.14.1030)]

            Here is my Summary of Ch 13 on Higher Levels. I have

included it as the last summary in the attached file
into which I have pasted the summaries of all chapters
we have discussed so far. Some of these summaries are
quiterough and need a lot of editing; some are pretty
good. But this collection of summaries seems like a nice
first step towards an improved future version of this
course.

            I consider this the "mid point" of the course because

the whole model of behavior – of skilled behavior
(control) – has now been described. Starting this week
we will embark on the second half of the course, which
deals with topics related to how the hierarchy develops
and improves (learning, memory and emotion), how it goes
wrong (conflict) and how to study it (experimental
methods).

        So the assignment for this week is to read Ch. 14, on

Learning. Relevant to this chapter is the fine work of Frans
Plooij and his late wife Hetty on the development of control
during the first year of life (a topic that is of particular
interest to me at the moment). The work of the Plooij’s was
inspired by the model described in B:CP and is described in
their book “The Wonder Years”. If you don’t have it, get it!
It will be a great supplement to the discussion of Ch. 14.

Best regards

Rick

                  --

                  Richard S. Marken PhD

                  rsmarken@gmail.com

                  [www.mindreadings.com](http://www.mindreadings.com/)


Richard S. Marken PhD
rsmarken@gmail.com
www.mindreadings.com

[From Rupert Young (2013.10.20 12.20 BST)]

David Goldstein (2013.10.19.22:16)

See the psychotherapy case of AF on my website: <http://www.dmghelpcenter.com>www.dmghelpcenter.com.

Whereabouts on your website is this, I can't find it?

Regards,
Rupert

[David Goldstein (2013.10.19.22:16)]
[Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]
Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00 BST)
This is a very hard chapter to understand. I am pretty sure that I didn't understand it the first time I read it.

Sometime after the book was published, Bill adopted the E.coli model of reorganization. See chapter 7 in his Living control Systems III: The Fact of Control.

In chapter 8, he shows how the E.coli model can account for the learning of a specific arm movement which involves the reorganizing of 14 control systems involved.

When I was writing up an MOL Therapy case study, Bill expanded on his concept of the reorganization system. He talked about a voluntary and involuntary component of the reorganization system. See the psychotherapy case of AF on my website: <http://www.dmghelpcenter.com>www.dmghelpcenter.com.

It is an interesting exercise to talk about the different forms of learning that psychologists have talked about (classical condition, operant conditioning, observational learning, verbal learning) and describe them in terms of PCT concepts.

The concept of reorganization which Bill talks about comes closer to the concept of developmental change than to the kinds of changes that the above forms of learning produce.

From: Richard Marken <mailto:rsmarken@GMAIL.COM><rsmarken@GMAIL.COM>
To: <mailto:CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU>CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: B:CP Chapter 13 Higher Levels Summary/ First Half Summary

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]

Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00 BST)--

Chapter 14 is a very interesting chapter as it gets into how the organisation of control systems could arise during the lifetime of an organism, in addition to, and providing for more flexible behaviour than, those that may be inherited. The basic process is one of reorganisation of the parameters and structure of the neural systems, driven by the "intrinsic" error, independent of the kind of behaviour involved. The intrinsic error being the difference between the current and desired state of the organism.

RM: This is a terrific post Rupert. I'll have more to say about it (and the Learning Chapter in B:CP) tomorrow or Monday. Right now I am off to see a Chekhov play (really! Uncle Vanya). When I get back I should be a much better person as I expect the play to have caused an improvement in my ability to read the emotions of others.

Best regards

Rick

>>

Some intrinsic reference variables were discussed, but I would suggest that there is really only one intrinsic reference, and that is of energy acquisition, which keeps the organism going, and represents the intrinsic purpose of any organism. All other proposed references, such as harmony, cooperation and clearness, are derived from (are a result of) this reference. For example, if there is disharmony then energy (e.g food) acquisition will be more difficult. Similarly, if an organism is receiving all its energy requirements then cooperation with others is not necessary.

The main difference, therefore, between simple organisms (e.g plankton) and more complex organisms (e.g. humans) is that there are more complex layers (the levels) of neural processing between the input and output functions of the energy acquisition control system. The more levels there are the more flexible are the means by which that energy can be acquired. Evolutionary adaptation involves the addition of levels to a hierarchy that is no longer able to acquire energy in the face of changing environments.

The principle of reorganisation, of the system, was contrasted with the behaviourist concept of learning being the reinforcement of actions. What other (modern) theories of learning are there; concerning such things as neural plasticity and neural networks? In what way do they differ from the PCT idea of learning?

There were a few other points that stood out for me.

Pattern recognition is best viewed as extracting subjective information (perceptions) relevant to the perspective of the perceiver rather than computing objective structure of the external world.

Behaviour affects not only sensory perceptions but also internal states of the organism, which may also be perceptions that can be controlled; and challenges the view of behaviour being a response to external stimuli.

Superstitious behaviour can arise if a collection of actions includes one that is effective, resulting in the cessation of reorganisation. Therapies such as homoeopathy, reiki "healing" are modern-day equivalents of witch-doctoring, though without any actions with the efficacy of aspirin, so I wonder how they persist? Perhaps due to a very loose sense of the problem (the controlled variable) and a general lack of awareness of the effects of the actions taken.

Leading questions:
1. No.

2. Don't see how. Not familiar.
3. The latter. Well, if you were controlling for praise (hearing the word "right") then you'd start answering incorrectly.
4. It's random? I think you wouldn't really have a clue what works.

5. The latter. The latter. I would have thought so. It doesn't really matter what actions are taken to achieve the friendliness.

6. Yes, most of the time. If there were no difficulties (error) there wouldn't be anything to learn.
7. The latter requires reorganisation.8.

* Previous systems

* Reorganisation

* Previous systems

* Reorganisation
* Memory
* Previous systems
* Memory
Regards,
Rupert

···

On 20/10/2013 03:53, D GOLDSTEIN wrote:

On 14/10/2013 18:30, Richard Marken wrote:

[From Rick Marken (2013.10.14.1030)]

Here is my Summary of Ch 13 on Higher Levels. I have included it as the last summary in the attached file into which I have pasted the summaries of all chapters we have discussed so far. Some of these summaries are quiterough and need a lot of editing; some are pretty good. But this collection of summaries seems like a nice first step towards an improved future version of this course.

I consider this the "mid point" of the course because the whole model of behavior -- of skilled behavior (control) -- has now been described. Starting this week we will embark on the second half of the course, which deals with topics related to how the hierarchy develops and improves (learning, memory and emotion), how it goes wrong (conflict) and how to study it (experimental methods).

So the assignment for this week is to read Ch. 14, on Learning. Relevant to this chapter is the fine work of Frans Plooij and his late wife Hetty on the development of control during the first year of life (a topic that is of particular interest to me at the moment). The work of the Plooij's was inspired by the model described in B:CP and is described in their book "The Wonder Years". If you don't have it, get it! It will be a great supplement to the discussion of Ch. 14.

Best regards

Rick

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
<mailto:rsmarken@gmail.com>>>> rsmarken@gmail.com
<http://www.mindreadings.com/&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; www.mindreadings.com

--
Richard S. Marken PhD
<mailto:rsmarken@gmail.com>> rsmarken@gmail.com
<http://www.mindreadings.com/&gt;&gt; www.mindreadings.com

[David Goldstein (201.10.20.12:58)]
[From Rupert Young (2013.10.20 12.20
BST)]

Here is the url: http://www.dmghelpcenter.com/Case_Studies/MOL%20Therapy%20Case%20of%20AF.pdf

If this doesn’t work, do the following: Go to my website, press the button for services offered, then Psychotherapy

Approach, then MOL Therapy Case Studies, then The case of AF, then go to page 22 or 25.

David

···

From: Rupert Young rupert@MOONSIT.CO.UK
To: CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: B:CP Chapter 13 Higher Levels Summary/ First Half Summary

  [From Rupert Young (2013.10.20 12.20

BST)]

  David Goldstein (2013.10.19.22:16)

  > See the psychotherapy case of AF on my website:

www.dmghelpcenter.com.

  Whereabouts on your website is this, I can't find it?
Regards,
Rupert

On 20/10/2013 03:53, D GOLDSTEIN wrote:

            [David

Goldstein (2013.10.19.22:16)]

            [Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]

            Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00 BST)
            This

is a very hard chapter to understand. I am pretty sure
that I didn’t understand it the first time I read it.

            Sometime

after the book was published, Bill adopted the E.coli
model of reorganization. See chapter 7 in his Living
control Systems III: The Fact of Control.

            In

chapter 8, he shows how the E.coli model can account for
the learning of a specific arm movement which involves
the reorganizing of 14 control systems involved.

            When I was writing up an MOL Therapy case study, Bill

expanded on his concept of the reorganization system. He
talked about a voluntary and involuntary component of
the reorganization system. See the psychotherapy case of
AF on my website: www.dmghelpcenter.com.

            It is an interesting exercise to talk about the

different forms of learning that psychologists have
talked about (classical condition, operant conditioning,
observational learning, verbal learning) and describe
them in terms of PCT concepts.

            The concept of reorganization which Bill talks about

comes closer to the concept of developmental change than
to the kinds of changes that the above forms of learning
produce.


From:
Richard Marken rsmarken@GMAIL.COM
To:
CSGNET@LISTSERV.ILLINOIS.EDU
Sent:
Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject:
Re: B:CP Chapter 13 Higher Levels Summary/ First
Half Summary

                        [From

Rick Marken (2013.10.19.1355)]

                          Rupert Young (2013.10.19 15.00 BST)--
                                  Chapter 14 is a very interesting

chapter as it gets into how the
organisation of control systems
could arise during the lifetime of
an organism, in addition to, and
providing for more flexible
behaviour than, those that may be
inherited. The basic process is
one of reorganisation of the
parameters and structure of the
neural systems, driven by the
“intrinsic” error, independent of
the kind of behaviour involved.
The intrinsic error being the
difference between the current and
desired state of the organism.

                              RM: This is a terrific post Rupert.

I’ll have more to say about it (and
the Learning Chapter in B:CP) tomorrow
or Monday. Right now I am off to see a
Chekhov play (really! Uncle Vanya).
When I get back I should be a much
better person as I expect the play to
have caused an improvement in my
ability to read the emotions of
others.

Best regards

Rick

                                  Some intrinsic reference variables

were discussed, but I would
suggest that there is really only
one intrinsic reference, and that
is of energy acquisition, which
keeps the organism going, and
represents the intrinsic purpose
of any organism. All other
proposed references, such as
harmony, cooperation and
clearness, are derived from (are a
result of) this reference. For
example, if there is disharmony
then energy (e.g food) acquisition
will be more difficult. Similarly,
if an organism is receiving all
its energy requirements then
cooperation with others is not
necessary.

                                  The main difference, therefore,

between simple organisms (e.g
plankton) and more complex
organisms (e.g. humans) is that
there are more complex layers (the
levels) of neural processing
between the input and output
functions of the energy
acquisition control system. The
more levels there are the more
flexible are the means by which
that energy can be acquired.
Evolutionary adaptation involves
the addition of levels to a
hierarchy that is no longer able
to acquire energy in the face of
changing environments.

                                  The principle of reorganisation,

of the system, was contrasted with
the behaviourist concept of
learning being the reinforcement
of actions. What other (modern)
theories of learning are there;
concerning such things as neural
plasticity and neural networks? In
what way do they differ from the
PCT idea of learning?

                                  There were a few other points that

stood out for me.

                                  Pattern recognition is best viewed

as extracting subjective
information (perceptions) relevant
to the perspective of the
perceiver rather than computing
objective structure of the
external world.

                                  Behaviour affects not only sensory

perceptions but also internal
states of the organism, which may
also be perceptions that can be
controlled; and challenges the
view of behaviour being a response
to external stimuli.

                                  Superstitious behaviour can arise

if a collection of actions
includes one that is effective,
resulting in the cessation of
reorganisation. Therapies such as
homoeopathy, reiki “healing” are
modern-day equivalents of
witch-doctoring, though without
any actions with the efficacy of
aspirin, so I wonder how they
persist? Perhaps due to a very
loose sense of the problem (the
controlled variable) and a general
lack of awareness of the effects
of the actions taken.

                                  Leading questions:
  1. No.
  2. Don’t see how. Not familiar.
  3.                                       The latter. Well, if you
    

were controlling for praise
(hearing the word “right”)
then you’d start answering
incorrectly.

  1.                                       It's random? I think you
    

wouldn’t really have a clue
what works.

  1.                                       The latter. The latter. I
    

would have thought so. It
doesn’t really matter what
actions are taken to achieve
the friendliness.

  1.                                       Yes, most of the time. If
    

there were no difficulties
(error) there wouldn’t be
anything to learn.

  1.                                       The latter requires
    

reorganisation.
1.

  • Previous systems
  • Reorganisation
  • Previous systems
  • Reorganisation
  • Memory
  • Previous systems
  • Memory
Regards,
Rupert
                                      On

14/10/2013 18:30, Richard
Marken wrote:

                                                  [From Rick

Marken
(2013.10.14.1030)]

                                                Here is my Summary

of Ch 13 on Higher
Levels. I have
included it as the
last summary in the
attached file into
which I have pasted
the summaries of all
chapters we have
discussed so far.
Some of these
summaries are
quiterough and need
a lot of editing;
some are pretty
good. But this
collection of
summaries seems like
a nice first step
towards an improved
future version of
this course.

                                                I consider this the

“mid point” of the
course because the
whole model of
behavior – of
skilled behavior
(control) – has now
been described.
Starting this week
we will embark on
the second half of
the course, which
deals with topics
related to how the
hierarchy develops
and improves
(learning, memory
and emotion), how it
goes wrong
(conflict) and how
to study it
(experimental
methods).

                                            So the assignment for

this week is to read Ch.
14, on Learning.
Relevant to this chapter
is the fine work of
Frans Plooij and his
late wife Hetty on the
development of control
during the first year of
life (a topic that is of
particular interest to
me at the moment). The
work of the Plooij’s was
inspired by the model
described in B:CP and is
described in their book
“The Wonder Years”. If
you don’t have it, get
it! It will be a great
supplement to the
discussion of Ch. 14.

Best regards

Rick

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